I envy the Amsteel in a way, Willie. I use a cable my dad has when I need a really strong pull. 1/2" x ~100'...heavy as all get out. I used it once in a heavily leaning water oak. Climbed up, had a buddy of mine tie it on so I could pull it up and hook it, then hooked it to his John Deere 440 skidder's winch. He played out a bunch of his cable to get a better angle, and I notched it and started to back cut. He got it started tipping, then lost traction, and the tree set back. He set the blade down and dug four holes with the tires so he was "scotched" in, and finally got it to go over. Not fun in my book. [Seeing a skidder slipping backward while pulling a tree] + [after the notch and back cut] = "awkward".