I love ovals. I never have issues with orientation. I guess it comes with experience with using them over time. I like them because they load everything evenly (especially pulleys with side plates) and don't have needless bulge when you're only connecting one rope or one piece of hardware to them (which is most of the time). I have maybe only a handful of triact HMS, a DMM Ceros, which is great for my rope wrench, and the rest are ovals (Petzl OK and mostly DMM Ultra O or Perfecto). I like how they feel in my hand, too.I don’t like ovals, you never know which end is supposed to open.
Thanks, I’ll try to work on that ‘experience’ thingI love ovals. I never have issues with orientation. I guess it comes with experience with using them over time. I like them because they load everything evenly (especially pulleys with side plates) and don't have needless bulge when you're only connecting one rope or one piece of hardware to them (which is most of the time). I have maybe only a handful of triact HMS, a DMM Ceros, which is great for my rope wrench, and the rest are ovals (Petzl OK and mostly DMM Ultra O or Perfecto). I like how they feel in my hand, too.
Just heard from my friend in Germany that the action at the gate for the karaT isn't as good as with DMM or Petzl products. That's a "no go" for me.
Relax, it was a sensible and friendly comment.Thanks, I’ll try to work on that ‘experience’ thing
Even if my gate binds up, which it never has, I can still easily distinguish between the levering end and the gated end by having a visual understanding of what my gates look like. I'm speaking from personal experience. I expect NOBODY ELSE to find gates as visually identifiable as they are for me. I just didn't appreciate the misinterpretation of my comment by Mick. I wasn't saying he lacked experience. I was saying that, since I have more experience with ovals, maybe that's why he struggles to identify which ends opens without the HSM style end to guide him.IF you can see it. Never had to deal with a biner blind?
Oh, sorry. I'll humble myself here and admit I'm not entirely sure what that refers so. But I have some ideas. I can imagine it probably means when you need to use tactile function to identify the open side of a gate versus visual function. In that case, I can fully advocate for HMS carabiners because they provide that. But even as a rec climber, it doesn't take much trial and error before you figure it out. I've had to fiddle with my gates without being able to see them, using ovals, and it's pretty intuitive. Not even just saying that. Maybe I'm just built for ovals.Read the words, Knotty..."blind", not "bind".
I've never pretended to be a tree worker. Even my disclaimer clearly states that I'm not an expert. I'm very transparent about my abilities on here, and I have been from the start, and I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong.Or maybe you're not really understanding the complicated machinations one must manage when you are working a tree, rather than playing at it.
This is not a slap at you, but it is a reminder that for all your experience, it still is theoretical rather than practical, as @Maximalist so clearly understands.
I understand. I have no issues with you, Burnham. Also not claiming anything nor pretending. I am who I am. I am, in your eyes, who you think I am. I love you all. The Tree House is my home. Just wanted to make that slightly related announcement.Knotty, you simply cannot claim a great number of "practical" climbs in your Pheonix apartment complex trees while at the same time saying, "I've never pretended to be a tree worker."...it just does not fly here. Tree work is what defines practical in the minds of most of us.
I don’t like ovals, you never know which end is supposed to open.
Or the manufacturers could colour one end differently.You can mark one end.