Raj
TreeHouser
Good luck Stephen.
How'd it go today?
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TreeHouser
No person was hurt and that is all that matters in my book, stuff can be replaced. Shake it off let the Ins. Co.s handle it that's what we pay for.
Mick!
TreeHouser
Thing is, we all know Stephen to be an ace tree man, I’ve seen vids showing some mighty impressive stuff.
I’ve had some regretful days at work so don’t get the idea I’m giving it the big I am.
But we should look at why this happened, now, he nipped the hinge and it went sideways, but if he had a pull line he would not have had to go near the hinge, as one guy pulling on the rope would have had that tree moving in the right direction long before the bar was nearing the critical point, especially if he was knackered at the end of the day.
I know this goes back to the pull line/wedges debate, but I think this illustrates exactly why using a pull line on anything critical is a must. Trees are unpredictable, unseen rot, old branch unions, or just plain old misjudgment.
It was a mistake not to use a pull line.
I have no doubt it would have prevented this.
I’ve had some regretful days at work so don’t get the idea I’m giving it the big I am.
But we should look at why this happened, now, he nipped the hinge and it went sideways, but if he had a pull line he would not have had to go near the hinge, as one guy pulling on the rope would have had that tree moving in the right direction long before the bar was nearing the critical point, especially if he was knackered at the end of the day.
I know this goes back to the pull line/wedges debate, but I think this illustrates exactly why using a pull line on anything critical is a must. Trees are unpredictable, unseen rot, old branch unions, or just plain old misjudgment.
It was a mistake not to use a pull line.
I have no doubt it would have prevented this.
MasterBlaster
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"Anything Critical"
THAT.
THAT.
Mick!
TreeHouser
After some weeks of slim pickens work wise, I secured a nice weeks works for next week.
Some big firs to come down.
Anyway, last (hopefully) day of arsing about.
Made up a rack for the long stuff, the never ending battle against untidiness in the workshop continues...
Some big firs to come down.
Anyway, last (hopefully) day of arsing about.
Made up a rack for the long stuff, the never ending battle against untidiness in the workshop continues...
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Raj
TreeHouser
Nice Mick!
Storm work continues here. 3 jobs in Brantford cleaned up today, now for some motor shop work.
Still searching for a 42" or bigger bar for the 088. I've had some shops order them, but they weren't for the 088! I don't have $600 for a canon bar shipped.
Storm work continues here. 3 jobs in Brantford cleaned up today, now for some motor shop work.
Still searching for a 42" or bigger bar for the 088. I've had some shops order them, but they weren't for the 088! I don't have $600 for a canon bar shipped.
Rained out today, sitting in the coffee shop on the wifi... Person next to me insists on eating their sushi with their mouth open, gross chewing noises, pet peeve, ah, she's getting up to leave, small mercies.
Burnham
Woods walker
I just have to disagree. The only thing either wedges or a pull line do is commit the tree to the direction the face and hinge structure direct it to fall. Neither can change that direction.
Stephen says that he cut off the hinge wood on one side. If that is so, a pull line would not change the result...unless the pull is fast enough and powerful enough to out-accelerate the tree's drop speed and overcome the load of the tree's weight in motion. This is fairly hard to do. Impossible by people power, certainly.
It's pointless speculation about at what point in a pull or wedging that Stephen might have or have not cut too deeply. With either tool, nothing changes regarding how the hinge governs fall direction, not the method of tipping the tree to the face.
The shop looks great, Mick. I have storage solution envy
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I agree with your assessment, Mick. You are a good tree man, Stephen. Don't let this eat at you, stuff happens.
By the look of things, you are winning that battle. Great pic
CurSedVoyce
California Hillbilly
SO back at it. Time to rig off the mishap. Pruned out the dead wood so no one got knocked on the noggin and set the rigging. Both the continuous puller (come-a-long) the HOBBS had 2:1 rigs to raise the offending log.
Then we raised the log off the roof and chimney and held it with a second line and block on the rear tree making it possible to 1: move lines alternately down the log and 2:use one as a lowering line in conjunction with a tag line to swing the larger picks nearest the rigging points off the roof.
Then we set about building supports by lashing 6X6 posts (thanks to the mill) and strapping them to the log up to about 1/2 way. Lashed it to that little cedar as well as a pivot point for a future part of the plan. Then we took some bigger pieces, then cookies till we were past the chimney.
Once we got this far, started losing the supports, down to the smaller one, then cut the outside 6X6, pushed off with the mini using the leg of the support as a ramp away from the house. The lashing at the tree provided a pivot point to help straighten the orientation of the log a tad prior to pushing.
Using climb line and such, blow off the roof and gift wrap it. We'll go back next week to complete our contractual obligations and then, the insurance companies and contractors can have at it.
Then we raised the log off the roof and chimney and held it with a second line and block on the rear tree making it possible to 1: move lines alternately down the log and 2:use one as a lowering line in conjunction with a tag line to swing the larger picks nearest the rigging points off the roof.
Then we set about building supports by lashing 6X6 posts (thanks to the mill) and strapping them to the log up to about 1/2 way. Lashed it to that little cedar as well as a pivot point for a future part of the plan. Then we took some bigger pieces, then cookies till we were past the chimney.
Once we got this far, started losing the supports, down to the smaller one, then cut the outside 6X6, pushed off with the mini using the leg of the support as a ramp away from the house. The lashing at the tree provided a pivot point to help straighten the orientation of the log a tad prior to pushing.
Using climb line and such, blow off the roof and gift wrap it. We'll go back next week to complete our contractual obligations and then, the insurance companies and contractors can have at it.
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Burnham
Woods walker
Nice recovery.
That might not buff out, but it'll get fixed in the end.
Stay the course, my friend.
That might not buff out, but it'll get fixed in the end.
Stay the course, my friend.
MasterBlaster
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Just one more step towards becoming an expert!!! 
CurSedVoyce
California Hillbilly
Well, if you can't dazzle them with your felling skills, whoop out the rigging 
Mick!
TreeHouser
Nice documentation of the process
Couldn’t do any more.
Couldn’t do any more.
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TreeHouser
Absolutely!
Raj
TreeHouser
Nice work.
Bodean
Cali dreamer
Lordy, Stephen.
You're a good guy, Bud.
The town Rep is solid... especially after such a champ recovery.
Every body falls, its who gets back up.
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You're a good guy, Bud.
The town Rep is solid... especially after such a champ recovery.
Every body falls, its who gets back up.
....
Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
Mick!
TreeHouser
Thanks.I just have to disagree. The only thing either wedges or a pull line do is commit the tree to the direction the face and hinge structure direct it to fall. Neither can change that direction.
Stephen says that he cut off the hinge wood on one side. If that is so, a pull line would not change the result...unless the pull is fast enough and powerful enough to out-accelerate the tree's drop speed and overcome the load of the tree's weight in motion. This is fairly hard to do. Impossible by people power, certainly.
It's pointless speculation about at what point in a pull or wedging that Stephen might have or have not cut too deeply. With either tool, nothing changes regarding how the hinge governs fall direction, not the method of tipping the tree to the face.
The shop looks great, Mick. I have storage solution envy
Back to our now theoretical discussion...
What I?m saying is not that a pull rope would have saved it once it started to go wrong, but that with a pull rope the hinge would not have been cut.
A perfectly vertical spar needs a thinner hinge than a perfectly vertical tree with an even, full umbrella of branches, because once it starts to go there?s no momentum, and no weight to pull it over.
Who hasn?t had a spar stuck on a stump at a forward angle? Then you have to finish the cut which can make a bit of a lottery of it.
So, a thin hinge, on a dead tree with all the deterioration in hinging that brings.
A pull rope would mean you could have a thicker hinge, less chance of mishap.
MasterBlaster
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Imagine how the story woulda gone if the clients were assholes.
Mick!
TreeHouser
They still could be!
Tbf Butch I'm trying to bring the discussion out of this particular incident if you know what I mean.
Tbf Butch I'm trying to bring the discussion out of this particular incident if you know what I mean.
MasterBlaster
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Uhhhhhh....
I don't, but carry on.
I don't, but carry on.
