Tree felling vids

[Marc-Antoine]

For one, trimming the root-flare makes easier the shaping of the butt for transport, as we don't cut above the flare usually (for logging). For two it allows the access to the center on the big trees with the too short bars, reducing the apparent diameter to the useful one. It is just a matter of preparing the tree's butt before the actual felling. Then, you cut out the face as per the book.

I agree with the critical point being the hinge thickness. A dutchman increases it virtually by as much as the mismatch. But the length of the hinge plays a part too by determining how wide the split has to develop to separate the trunk. A small notch means a small hinge and therefor few fibers have to sustain the massive tension. Exactly like splitting difficult firewood by taking a small chunk of the outside instead of the full diameter.
As for the position of the cog relative to the hinge, i don't see that as a determining factor in the baberchair (beside increasing/decreasing the leverage) all things equal otherwise.

 

[SeanKroll]

If the COG is far to the side (and up) from the hinge, it will want to split more due to increased leverage.

 

[Altissimus]

Forward , Center , Aft ...

 

[davidwyby]

Imagine someone is trying to push you over from behind. You will brace with your toes, maybe even move one foot forward to resist. Forward hinge. If the front half of your foot is removed, you fall right over.

 

[biggun]

I was always under the impression that the barber chair was due to tension in the centre of the log.

Species dependent, some are more prone to it than others.

A small face doesn’t address the tension.

A deeper face removes some of the tension.

If the species and characteristics of the wood make you think it may BC then bore out the middle of the hinge thus removing the tension.

 

[davidwyby]

Totally agree. Getting a deep face in a fwd leaning tree can be a trick. Gutting the hinge and plunging not so much.

The fella in NY I referred to has been small scale logging on and off for himself and others for 50 years. Shallow vertical face, gutted hinge, little stump shot plunge and trigger. No chairs, no fiber pull every time.

That being said, those methods are slow and fiddly when you compare to a western long bar running square skip and a Humboldt. Three cuts from one position and she’s down.

Different strokes for different trees…and folks.

 

[davidwyby]

Here’s some sketch…if it’s a head leaner and direction doesn’t matter, why have a hinge? Cut in from the front, set a wedge on each side of the cut, cut all the way thru to the back. If you back bar ream, the kerf fills with sawdust preventing pinch. I have done it on small spars.

 

[Trains]

Yeah, not gunna do that.

 

[davidwyby]

“Question for you, since you handle a lot of the crappy desert hardwoods: Any tricks on not getting dead by dropping big rotten leaning cottonwoods? I dropped one that was not rotten on the only part that mattered - the holding wood. Everything else was rotten. I wanted to do a bore cut with trigger, but it was almost impossible to bore into the stringy live part. The tip just wanted to kick back because cutters were lodging into the sponge. The others were even more dead looking - you could see through one of them. Another was decently alive but leaning at more than 45 degrees. This stuff kinda scares me.”

 

[davidwyby]

*someone asked me.

 

[Burnham]

If it's leaning heavy, just Coos Bay the buggah. It'll only go to the head lean, but nothing you can do with those crap hinging trees will change that.

I might go that route even with mild leaners, if falling to the head lean is a satisfactory lay. It is a straightforward and quick method. Less futzing around at the stump of marginally sound trees is almost always a good choice to make.

 

[davidwyby]

If it's leaning heavy, just Coos Bay the buggah. It'll only go to the head lean, but nothing you can do with those crap hinging trees will change that.

I might go that route even with mild leaners, if falling to the head lean is a satisfactory lay. It is a straightforward and quick method. Less futzing around at the stump of marginally sound trees is almost always a good choice to make.

Agree, you know I just like spitballing.

 

[RodgerDodger]

 

[CurSedVoyce]

Serious WTF going on there

 

[flushcut]

Ameture hour?

 

[davidwyby]

That hurts


I saw one on fb last night that was worse. Euro and a tractor. 6” Dutchman.

 

[Burnham]

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Can that be a real situation?? On what planet????

 

[SeanKroll]

Bad read of the lean?

 

[davidwyby]

You guys are the only treeple I know that aren’t tweekers so… 🤣

 

[Burnham]

There is so much more wrong there than could be explained by a simple bad read of the lean. The face is wrong for the anchors on the machines and the pull which broke one of the anchor ropes is in near opposition to the faced lay. The cutting procedure for the "back cut" is nonsensical to the whole scenario. It's beyond wrong on so many points that I have to suspect it's a joke...except I fear it probably isn't .

 

[flushcut]

I don’t know B you would have to be a special kind of stupid to not read that lean right. So that leads me to believe they had no clue. Two pull lines perpendicular to the hinge and one flapping in the breeze inline with the face. Just so much f uckery abound.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Too many replies to quote everyone one individually.

I have no idea what’s going on or who that is, just showed up in my instagram feed. I don’t think the account that posted it is the the same one who took the video, just reposted it.

I think this one takes the cake for the most WTF in a single video I’ve seen. Crew has nice equipment, even PPE, but clearly has ZERO idea what they’re doing or even how to run a saw.

You kind of expect craziness from the cutters with crack-o-nomic setups, but this crew looks reasonably dialed as far as equipment, but perhaps even less experienced than many of the rock crews and half-priced Harry’s we normally see doing this sort of stupidity.

I’d I had to guess I’d say it’s a YouTube/Instagram “trainee” that went and bought a bunch of equipment and started a business, but has zero idea the how/why behind what’s he’s seen posted or is attempting to emulate. Just a guess.

Has a helmet mounted go-pro, would love to see the rest of their videos.

 

[treesmith]

If only they’d used a bigger/deeper face cut….

 

[RodgerDodger]

Nope, I was wrong. That’s the original account, looks like a landscape crew turned tree crew. Plenty, and I mean plenty of other videos with similar moronic behavior. 90% of their tree work videos are from the same golf course. Also, they had more PPE on in that video than any other I’ve seen, most are jeans, no helmet, slanted back cuts, huge wedge cuts, cutting through hinges, enough Dutchmen to fill a pirate ship, and single lanyard, if any at all.

Here’s another, cut right through the hinge, only thing that saved the $$$ house were the trees standing next to it. Guy almost gets it in this one too, which causes the guy videoing to laugh hysterically.

Certifiably Retarded.

 

[Burnham]

Brilliant. Love the angled back cut.