davidwyby
Desert Beaver
If I was strappin myself to trees you’d better believe I’d be nippin ever time after seeing that
Tree felling vids
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davidwyby
Desert Beaver
I never do, might be the only part of the brittle tree that hinges
SeanKroll
Treehouser
You can make the sapwood cuts below the hinge a good number of inches or more. Usually, for no exact reason, I'm staying within 6" of the apex of the facecut.
davidwyby
Desert Beaver
Nutball
TreeHouser
It would be interesting to know the common breaking strength of saddles. I'd have to pull mine out to look, but hopefully the pressure was more on the front of the harness than the back in which case he might be just fine. Otherwise that could be a few thousand pounds of force crushing his back. I didn't hear him scream, and his hand was still on the rope, so I think he's fine.
Marc-Antoine
TreeHouser
I think that it's around 1500 kg / 3300 lbs.
CurSedVoyce
California Hillbilly
Just holy shite.
Yo, help a brother out. I'm trying to figure.
Bjarne: Daily he's cutting 4'-8' diameter old growth on steep ground in canada, I presume BC. Bjarne is a good sawyer , no better or worse than anyone here with a decade or two of experience. Like most any faller, he enjoys the work.
Old growth by definition is likely not renewable.
Clear cutting steep ground is problematic re erosion and regeneration.
Cutting old growth according to many experts exacerbates sudden climate change.
What do you think of his videos. Do you think what he and others are doing day in and day out is problematic or do you think perhaps more along the lines of people need their cedar fences and shingles, and there is enough land and trees out there that there is no reason to worry about high production industrial logging in defacto wilderness areas.
According to our old buddy Reg, Canada has an abysmal environmental record.
Thank you for your input.
Bjarne: Daily he's cutting 4'-8' diameter old growth on steep ground in canada, I presume BC. Bjarne is a good sawyer , no better or worse than anyone here with a decade or two of experience. Like most any faller, he enjoys the work.
Old growth by definition is likely not renewable.
Clear cutting steep ground is problematic re erosion and regeneration.
Cutting old growth according to many experts exacerbates sudden climate change.
What do you think of his videos. Do you think what he and others are doing day in and day out is problematic or do you think perhaps more along the lines of people need their cedar fences and shingles, and there is enough land and trees out there that there is no reason to worry about high production industrial logging in defacto wilderness areas.
According to our old buddy Reg, Canada has an abysmal environmental record.
Thank you for your input.
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Burnham
Woods walker
I am of the opinion that there is enough second and third growth forest in production today in my part of the world, that we do not need to be cutting old growth to meet our needs for lumber and other wood fiber. Both private, and state and federal government owned.
In fact, there is a huge backlog of volume that is going unharvested on US national forests in the PNW. That volume of board footage on the stump grows ever larger each year.
What the situation in Canada is, I cannot say. Here, we have required and for the most part enforced reforestation, which has resulted in these millions of acres of managed stands prime for harvest today. Maybe Canada didn't do this. I do not know.
In fact, there is a huge backlog of volume that is going unharvested on US national forests in the PNW. That volume of board footage on the stump grows ever larger each year.
What the situation in Canada is, I cannot say. Here, we have required and for the most part enforced reforestation, which has resulted in these millions of acres of managed stands prime for harvest today. Maybe Canada didn't do this. I do not know.
davidwyby
Desert Beaver
davidwyby
Desert Beaver
stikine
Treehouser
I think it is renewable if you really want to look at it in the long run (hundreds of years) in some cases. Most humans can't look beyond two weeks much less 200 plus years.
Steep ground in coastal BC has nothing to do with regeneration. Depending on where he is cutting there may not be a need for artificial regeneration (planting), 99 percent of the time it's not required here (SE Alaska ) because of natural reseeding.
I can't really answer the climate change question, but I suspect there are a lot of more problematic industries and human use patterns that are to blame for the changing climate than timber harvest.
It doesn't really matter if the timber harvest is in Connecticut or British Columbia does it? Think about that Cory, how many millions of board feet of timber are harvested in the East Coast each year. No one says shit about it or protestest right?
Dunno, it hits a nerve with me.
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flushcut
TreeHouser
I agree on a long enough timeline “old growth” will come back as long as humans leave it be. On a long enough timeline the earth will be just fine to do its thing. I’ve said it before, when momma nature gets tired of us humans she will squish us like ants under foot without even batting an eye and with our brains and technology can’t do a damn thing about it.
@stikine thanks for your response which is key cuz you are right there or very close to the area in question.
Re renewability, yes that is why I noted 'likely' not renewable because humans will not likely wait long enough for regen to become old growth.
Good info to know re steep ground and natural reseeding, but what about the question of erosion on steep ground.
Re east coast harvesting, fair to say there is likely zero old growth harvesting in virgin forests happening anywhere on the East coast, hence zero protesting or controversy. Yes, there is a lot of feller buncher clear cutting there, especially in the SE but I'm not understanding your analogy. As Burnham alluded to, there is plenty of regen in the PNW that gets clear cut, or is ready to be, and no one protests that which is as it should be since people need boards and fiber.
But in this day and age to be creating 3 and 4 log loads cut from virgin forests on steep ground, I just find it short sighted, unwise and greedy. It's just like that big wig insurance exec that got shot, the big wigs on top are making bank at the cost of the environment same as he presumably was by shafting the little people insureds. Bjarne's happy to do it cuz he's making a living cutting big trees which we all here know is fun.
Hey if I'm wrong and there's no irreversible degradation going on then that's a good thing but there's still the question of which is worth more in this day and age- boards cut from pristine old growth forests or the jaw dropping beauty found in these old growth areas which flow with clean clear water. The later is good for renewing and resetting the human spirit and with each passing day in our modern, high tech era, that becomes increasingly more important.
@stikine, on a related note, do you think the Donald is going to open up the Tongas to old growth clear cutting?
Re renewability, yes that is why I noted 'likely' not renewable because humans will not likely wait long enough for regen to become old growth.
Good info to know re steep ground and natural reseeding, but what about the question of erosion on steep ground.
Re east coast harvesting, fair to say there is likely zero old growth harvesting in virgin forests happening anywhere on the East coast, hence zero protesting or controversy. Yes, there is a lot of feller buncher clear cutting there, especially in the SE but I'm not understanding your analogy. As Burnham alluded to, there is plenty of regen in the PNW that gets clear cut, or is ready to be, and no one protests that which is as it should be since people need boards and fiber.
But in this day and age to be creating 3 and 4 log loads cut from virgin forests on steep ground, I just find it short sighted, unwise and greedy. It's just like that big wig insurance exec that got shot, the big wigs on top are making bank at the cost of the environment same as he presumably was by shafting the little people insureds. Bjarne's happy to do it cuz he's making a living cutting big trees which we all here know is fun.
Hey if I'm wrong and there's no irreversible degradation going on then that's a good thing but there's still the question of which is worth more in this day and age- boards cut from pristine old growth forests or the jaw dropping beauty found in these old growth areas which flow with clean clear water. The later is good for renewing and resetting the human spirit and with each passing day in our modern, high tech era, that becomes increasingly more important.
@stikine, on a related note, do you think the Donald is going to open up the Tongas to old growth clear cutting?
CurSedVoyce
California Hillbilly
Erosion can be helped by leaving limbs, lop and scatter. Protects the ground and seedlings, and decay feeds the new trees.
davidwyby
Desert Beaver
Less erosion than a fire and forests recover from those
stikine
Treehouser
The potential for erosion definitely increases with slope percentage but the vast majority of Bjarne's video footage is on helicopter ground. Steep yes, but there is full log suspension during yarding which minimizes any scarification.
I fully support a transition to a young growth program when there is sufficient acres to support an industry. We are 15 to 20 years out before the "wall of wood" young growth is mature enough around my district to be economical to harvest.
I imagine the Don v 2.0 will make a run on loosening regs. across many industries. I'm retiring on December 31st so I'll watch the chaos from the sidelines. 🙂
stikine
Treehouser
38 with the USFS.
