Yeah, we always get down to the big wood and the stupid groundie, is like, "How many wraps should I take," and I say, "Man, I don't know, you've been runnin the loads all day." But I do AT LEAST manage to tell the guy, "Look, if it's just pounding down, and you can't hang on to it, then, PLEASE just let the stupid thing go!!!!!! You'd be surprised how many guys, just running off pure instinct will hang on to that stupid piece of wood like their life depended on it, rather than realizing that their life is jeopardized by it. I almost killed one of my best friends that way... he actually flipped (with just a flick of his wrist) a 3/4" Sampson line off of the posts--counter-clockwise--on the aluminum bollard on the GRCS, (he was standing at a 90 degree angle to it, so as to be "in front" of it, rather than to the side) just in order to get the stupid piece to run faster. Man that Cottonwood log just started SCREAMING down. The jackass wouldn't let go. The piece smoked down into the blacktop hard enough to blow out a hole over four inches deep, and Chris missed it with his head by about eight inches. He only let go, when his hands hit the bollard.