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Where is everyone purchasing their ammo online? What is your preferred 9mm range ammo? I am late to the party to this thread.
 
520....locally.

The 365 Snack Pack is 560...locally.

No ammo though...not even for a purchase.


When I say local...thats 40 miles away.



As far as ammo sources.....someone pointed me towards "AmmoSeek" last night.


Preferred for me was the Winchester white box 100 round packs.....because thats what the store had.


I have a 92 Beretta.....but never shot it much. Hence the slight shortage of 9mm ammo at home here.
 
Firearm deaths 10 year average from 2007 to 2017 based on FBI data.

Deaths
Covid Vaccine 2000+
All rifles 347 per year average
AR15s 14 per year average
Edged weapon 1700 per year average

fee.org

Are AR-15 Rifles a Public Safety Threat? Here's What the Data Say

Between 2007 and 2017, nearly 1,700 people were murdered with a knife or sharp object per year. That’s almost four times the number of people murdered by an assailant with any sort of rifle. But what if we look at just AR-15 rifles?
fee.org fee.org
 
Back in the Nam, again and again, everyone in uniform, and many people not in uniform, open carried loaded weapons 24/7. Not just one weapon but 2 or 3 sometimes, and over a 2 year stretch in said lethal environment I never observed a single accidental discharge.

For some reason, here in the US, accidental discharges happen more frequently. "Oh, I didn't think it was loaded." is the usual answer. Lack of adequate training is all I can figure. Or just dumb people.
 
I have a friend who had an AD about 2 months ago...he is normally very competent, careful...does high risk work sometimes. He was distracted by the TV while cleaning his .40 calibre handgun. I don't have the step by step, didn't ask him to relive how it worked. But he put a .40 cal round thru the center of his left hand...the picture I saw looked like it went in from the palm, exited thru the back of the hand...no one else hurt. I assume he was chambering a round, racking the slide and something got done real wrong. He has kicked himself around a lot about it. The docs offered to use pins, etc. to try to rebuild the finger...he told them to just take if off. As I understand it the removal was back into the palmar area. I have not seen it yet but one finger is gone for sure. Dangerous things take constant vigilance.
 
CNN fact checks Jim Crow Joe... I’m shocked...

The actions include expanding background checks for certain types of guns, regulating stabilizing braces built for pistols, making new investments in intervention programs for violence-prone communities, and creating model "red flag" legislation for states to pass.

Here's a look at some of the claims Biden made during his Rose Garden announcement and the facts around them:

Gun manufacturers and liability

Biden claimed that "the only industry in America -- a billion-dollar industry -- that can't be sued -- has exempt from being sued -- are gun manufacturers."

Facts First: This is false. Gun manufacturers are not entirely exempt from being sued, nor are they only industry with some liability protections.

Under the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act 15 U.S. Code § 7903 - Definitions - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/7903 , gun manufacturers cannot be held liable for the use of their products in a crime. However, gun manufacturers can still be held liable for https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10292 (and thus sued for) a range of things, including negligence, breach of contract regarding the purchase of a gun, or certain damages from defects in the design of a gun.

In 2019, the Supreme Court allowed https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/12/business/remington-sandy-hook-supreme-courta lawsuit against gun manufacturer Remington Arms Company to continue. The plaintiffs, a survivor and families of nine other victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School mass shooting, are attempting to hold the company, which manufactured the semi-automatic rifle that was used in the killing, partly responsible by targeting the company's marketing practices, another area where gun manufacturers can be held liable.

Other industries also have some exemptions in liability. For example, vaccine manufacturers cannot 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22 be held liable in a civil suit for damages from a vaccine-related injury or death. And for the next four years, pharmaceutical companies developing the Covid-19 vaccines will have immunity You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won't compensate you for damages either - https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.htmlfrom liability under the 2005 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act http://govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2020-03-17/pdf/2020-05484.pdf . Those who claim to have been harmed by vaccines may receive Why the Government Pays Billions to People Who Claim Injury by Vaccines - https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/vaccine-safety-program/589354/money from the government, not the pharmaceutical company, via the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

Background checks and gun shows

Biden claimed that "If you walk into a store and you buy a gun, you have a background check. But you go to a gun show, you can buy whatever you want and no background check."

Facts First: This framing from Biden is misleading, since it leaves the false impression that gun shows are exempt from background check laws. Purchases at gun shows are not exempt from background checks, which are required on purchases from licensed gun dealers whether you are in a gun store, a gun show or anywhere else. Only purchases from private sellers, whether at a gun show or elsewhere, do not require a background check in most states.

Under federal law, anyone who is purchasing a gun from a federal firearms licensed (FFL) dealer must go through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). These licensed dealers include anyone trying to make money by selling guns, or who sell guns regularly. They must be an FFL dealer and regardless of where they sell guns (online, at a store or gun show) they have to put buyers through the NICS.

Under federal law https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download , private sellers not looking to turn a profit and who "only make occasional sales of firearms from (a) personal collection" do not have to run buyers through a background check system, according https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download to the ATF. The private seller exemption is often referred to as the "gun-show loophole," which is an overly vague term that fails to capture the complexity of the law.

State laws around background checks vary widely. In 14 states and District of Columbia, for instance, private sellers must subject each buyer to a background check.

It is illegal https://www.atf.gov/file/100871/download for a private seller to sell a gun to someone who is not legally permitted to own a firearm. Private sellers cannot sell a gun to a resident of another state without first shipping the gun to an FFL dealer who will run the buyer through the NICS before handing over the weapon.

Red flag laws and suicides

Biden touted so-called red flag laws, also known as Extreme Risk Protection Order laws, which allow people to ask a court to temporarily remove guns from people believed to be a danger to themselves or others. He said that states with red flag laws have "seen a reduction in the number of suicides in their states."

Facts First: This needs context. Research on this subject is limited, some of the available research data is mixed, and suicide rates have increased around the US in the 21st century.

The national US suicide rate has increased Fast Facts - https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/index.html significantly https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/health/suicide-rates-nchs-study/index.htmlsince NIMH » Suicide - https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide.shtml 1999, though there was a slight decline Changes in Suicide Rates — United States, ... - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008a1.htm in 2019. Suicide numbers have worsened in both states with red flag laws and states without red flag laws. (The Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence says Extreme Risk Protection Orders | Giffords - https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/extreme-risk-protection-orders/19 states and the District of Columbia have such laws.)

So why isn't Biden's claim false? Because some PolitiFact - Do red-flag laws reduce gun suicides, as Creigh Deeds says? - https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jun/19/creigh-deeds/do-red-flag-laws-reduce-gun-suicides-creigh-deeds-/academic research https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/05/us/gun-red-flag-laws-suicides-study has found that Indiana and Connecticut had fewer firearm suicides than would have been expected without their red flag laws. According to this research, in other words, the laws may have had a reduction effect even if the overall number of suicides in one year remained higher than the number in the previous year.

However, there is additional nuance to consider. One study Psychiatry Online - https://ps.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ps.201700250 on Indiana and Connecticut found that while Indiana's red flag law was associated with an overall reduction in suicides of all kinds compared to the expected number, the overall picture was mixed in Connecticut. In Connecticut, this study found, a state move to increase enforcement of its red flag law, beginning in 2007, coincided with an increase in non-firearm suicides that was actually bigger than the reduction in firearm suicides.

In a 2020 review of the data on the effects of various gun policies, researchers at the RAND Corporation took note of the positive findings out of Indiana but said The Science of Gun Policy: Second Edition - https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2088-1.html the overall evidence on the effect of red flag laws on both total suicides and firearm suicides is "inconclusive." The RAND report called for additional study on the subject.

www.cnn.com

Biden announces limited gun restrictions as pressure rises following mass shootings

Facing pressure to act after a recent spate of high-profile mass shootings, President Joe Biden unveiled a package of moves Thursday that seek to address a scourge of gun violence he deemed a "blemish on the nation."
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

There are also quite a few embedded links in the story at the link.
 
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