Beranek's Coos Bay felling cut vs. Burnham's

The knowledge in those two threads sure saved my butt over the last year or so. Had some nasty leaning oaks to deal with and I believe one gray pine that saw the coos cut since I learned it from these esteemed gentlemen on this forum. :thumbup:
Great thread bump.
 
That Coo's Bay is the cat's meow for big limbs.

Used it a LOT since learning it here.

Thanks, Legends.
 
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Aside from the unquestionable fact that Jerry B. is unassuming when complimented on his abilities and knowlege, and I carry mere shadow of his expertise...let the legends STRUT!!
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Hahahaha...silliness is fun, late at night when away from home, stuck in a hotel. Thank goodness for wifi :).
 
I have to admit the first time I used the coos bay I was a little skeptical, but the words of Mike Davis kept going over and over in my mind. I was working on an old slide acres in size. Most of the trees on the slope had fallen when the hill slipped years before. for the ones that didn't fall they leaned heavily every which direction and there was little chance to try to swing any of them. And so Mike's words kept going through my mind. finally I gave in and did it, and it worked and it worked again and again. Til there wasn't a leaner left on that hill side. Boy the coos bay save me so much time and anxiety that day. It was a turning point for the better in my method and approach to dealing with heavy leaners. And I can thank Mike Davis for it. RIP
 
Hey Jer, I remember the first time that I saw the coos bay in your Fundamentals book years ago, and I wondered how that would really work out. Then I saw how you used it up in the trees to remove those large heavy limbs in your Working Climber Two DVD and I said wow! The lightbulb went on and I realized how productive the cut could be, when executed correctly.

I also remember seeing pictures of Mike Davis in your books and thinking that's one hell of a tough looking logger. You could tell that he knew more than a thing or two about woods work. When I read in your HighClimber book that he had passed away, I was very surprised and sorry. Even though I didn't know Mike personally, I can tell that he was someone that I would have liked. Sounds like he wasn't too old either when he passed away.... another one gone too soon.
 
Mike always had some of the greatest stories of him and his dad working in Klamath. One always stuck in my mind of him climbing up and over a knoll on the hillside and having to reach down and help his dad up. Standing there on that knoll they suddenly realized they were on top of a wind fall. And it was a sound wind fall that bucked into logs made them a good day. A very good day Mike said.

The thing that really struck me about the story was the tree wasn't even recognizable till they got up on it. Oh, Mike had plenty more stories to tell. I really miss him.
 
From your writings in High Climbers he seemed like a hellva guy to know! The story I like best about him is " I got to do this just so I can say with some qualification, I was here. "
 
Ah yes. That brings back one heck of a story.

The Coos Bay cut was first described to me by Mike Davis, RIP, yes the M. Davis in High climbers. The way Mike described it to me then is the way I've used the cut since. With minor varients to suit the situation, of course.

When Mike was first describing the Coos's Bay cut to me, back in 1986 at the Golden West Hotel Saloon, I was astounded by the shear "against the grain methodology" I thought to myself, "He can't be serious." Dave Deconti was present during Mikes description and we both exchanged eye contact a number of times in disbelief of what Mike was telling us.

I had to ask Mike a couple of times just to get it straight without any misunderstanding. Needless to say I was still skeptical even after 20 Budwisers.

When I went to work for Pete Benedeti in 89 I watched Raymond Bates use the cut exactly as Mike described it. The tree was a redwood, heavy leaner over the county road. The county road crew closed the road off and in three cuts, less than one minute, that tree floped across the pavement and was doing the dying quivers.

Even at that I never attempted to use the Coos Bay. I was still too skeptical.

A few years later, round about 92 or so, I was working in Dos Rios for Homer Helms. Dos Rios is rattle snake, bald face hornet infested hell hole I'll never forget. Well the Bullbuck on that harvest plan awarded me a strip on a big slide that covered a few acres of the mountain. The Bullbuck said he liked me. Most the trees on that strip toppled when the the hill side slipped out, I guessed about 10 years before my arrival, the downed trees were all pretty well rotten. Now the trees left standing, if you want to call it that, were all heavy leaners, no, no hangers, like holding out your arm, Douglas Fir averaging about a thousand foot apiece. Scratch your head in wonder thinking about the forces on the roots holding them.

It was impossible to fall to a lead. Every tree leaned a different way, over one another and over bad ground. I walk through those trees two times without even tugging on the pull rope. Finally when I came back to where I started, I thought about what Mike told me, and I remembered how Raymond Bates flopped that redwood in just three cuts.

I was thinking, "Man, I'm gonna have one of these trees barber chair and lose my saw and possibly my life." I looked across the hillside, up and down and thought, "I'm not walking through this again. I'm gonna just start cutting the way Mike told me. F it."

So I tugged on that pull rope and brought life into a sawing machine that was hell bent for destruction. Knees knocking and sweat pouring I cut one side of the trunk, better than a third, socked a wedge in, and cut the other side the same, then hit the back!!!

The sound of wood pulling from the stump ecohed across the caynon and the tree launched itself into the worse lay you could imagine. Fortunatly it was Doug Fir, and tough, and it took the hit. SOB to buck. Would of been easier if it broke clean. No such luck.

So, OK! That was the first one. So far so good. I have couple dozen more.

About 4 o'clock that afternoon I had the last of the outlaws apprehenced and bucked them all, honest to God. I felt like a pro. Oh, yeah.

It was late in the day for a timber faller to walk out of the woods. Most the others were out of there by 1 oclock and home by the time I quit. I wanted to finish that strip. I didn't want to go back to it in the morning. My next strip was steep ground but the trees stood fare and straight, and was going to be a heck of a lot easier.

I suppose had I learned the Coos Bay from someone else, like yourselves, I would have done it that way. I recall when the discussion about the Coos bay came up here at the house the description was different than what I have used and wrote about. I found it interesting the varients of methods to solve a common problem. And I knew one day someone here would call me on it.

Thanks, Burnam.

Since using the Coos' Bay on that God awful strip in Dos Rios I started using it in the trees to launch big, heavy, hanging, limbs and spars. It works great.

It'll pull wood, generally out of the stub,or stump, but it solves the issues of getting a saw stuck in a cut by undercutting a heavily compress portion of a stem or trunk. Non-directional. Only good for flopping.

Varients? Yes! Even though a tree with heavy head lean,,, it can also favor one side. Cut that side first, better than a third, set a wedge. Cut the other side. Then bore into the holding wood, and threat it like you would with a conventional face and bore cut to trip.

Heavy head leaners are a Son of a Bitch. Anybody that's been in the business for long can attest to it. Even treated with the best of your knowledge and skill they can still get you. Always treat them with the utmost respect and have a clear and safe way out of there.

Up in the tree? Always excute the cut from above.

Thank you Mike Davis for the knowledge. RIP, 2003
I just wanted to bump this thread and say that this is probably the best post I've seen on this forum in many years. :thumbup:
 
Yeah, very cool! I log on this site like 4 times a day, but how did I missed this one??
 
I tried it today...on a palm tree. The trunk was nearly horizontal to the ground, about 20' long with the top portion heading back vertical because it had found the light again, probably got blown over in a storm.
Palms are notorious for settling on your bar as the fibrous trunks are cut and the weight sets them down, with the extreme lean a face, bore and trip might have left me with a saw stuck in the middle of a palm trunk so I thought, hey, good time to try a low risk coos bay...
I couldn't exactly remember the sequence so I put a real small kerf in the bottom, then sliced the sides about 1/4 each then cut from the back...the palm just capitulated and plopped right down no problem at all.
Next I'll have to try it on a proper tree!
 
Thats the ticket Jed, and it just happened to be the first serious head leaner I've had in a while that was low risk enough to try something new on!
 
from my keyboard, if you use any sort of an undercut, just need to make sure that when the backcut goes in, it procedes fast enough so if and when the undercut closes, is doesn't have enough time to create any internal, verticle tension to create a barber chair. likewise, without an undercut, spin the chain as fast as it can go and keep cutting until the tree is free from it's hinge.
 
That's the drawback with any form of face or undercut. You create an area behind it where the pressure can build up, splitting the wood fibres in the worse case scenario.However the directional properties gained is what makes managing limbs & timber possible. For heavily head leaning work the coos bay has been a great addition to my list of techniques, both in the tree & on the floor cutting.
 
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