lumberjack
Young man on the go
Which is incorrect and a great way to mess someone else's materials up.
Ya'll can keep your WAGs, when messing with other's resources, I'll eat the bandwidth.
Thinking about this.
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Which is incorrect and a great way to mess someone else's materials up.
Ya'll can keep your WAGs, when messing with other's resources, I'll eat the bandwidth.
sawinredneck
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Talked to the owner of American CLS today. He called me after I inquired
That is some SERIOUS customer service!Talked about what I wanted to do, what I wanted to split and about how much. He really reccomended a machine like youres! Since I don't care to mess with wrestling around with the larger wood (faster to half and quarter it with the saw.) And I already have the mini at my disposal. He's geting me pricing on the 24HH and 25HH as well as working on a way to ship and prices.
Heck of a neat guy!! I see why you like them!
As a side, he asked why you wanted to sell youres, I explained that you wanted the bigger one and did nothing but talk them up. He was happy
Al Smith
Mac Daddy
Well then,tell ya what Carl ,I'll just step back and you figure it out .I mean after all you are a genious about building stuff .What the hell do I know anyway . Other than the fact I was fabricating stuff before you were even a gleam in the old man's eye .Go for it .:what:
lumberjack
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Mr. Sir
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Don't get your britches in a bunch, Al. I do believe Carl knows a thing or two about building stuff, too. And as difficult as this may be for you to imagine, he might know more than you do.
Al Smith
Mac Daddy
Hey,I'm done with it ,okay .I can't remember too many occasions that Carl has not disputed most things I ever said regarding steel fabrication .
It doesn't much make much diff if it's a welding practice or machining method ,Carl by God can do it better .
Fine ,let him do it . I'll just keep my WAGS to myself .
I'm not getting pissy ,just tired of being insulted evey time I make a suggestion . So I sure as hell just won't make any more .
If Carl thinks he can port a freakin saw I'll back off of that too .
It doesn't much make much diff if it's a welding practice or machining method ,Carl by God can do it better .
Fine ,let him do it . I'll just keep my WAGS to myself .
I'm not getting pissy ,just tired of being insulted evey time I make a suggestion . So I sure as hell just won't make any more .
If Carl thinks he can port a freakin saw I'll back off of that too .
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Newfie
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When I grow up I want to be as smart as Carl.
MasterBlaster
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I'm of a mind that Carl may be the smartest person here.
CurSedVoyce
California Hillbilly
I need a Carl and Al mix myself..... Some one to think it out and one to make it work on the fly with what he has on hand .. Sorta like McGyver
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NeTree
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That's a pretty naive and arrogant statement, Butch.
LMFAO
LMFAO
sawinredneck
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HI YA!!!!!
Not sure, but I think I was looking for a log splitter, not a pissing match!
Everyone has opinions, I like to hear them all!
The splitter I am building for the mini will do good to be a semi substitute until I get something better. Carl wins this one Al. The beam I have is trash at best!! (and I don't have a decent cylinder, or the CONFIDENCE to use the big beam yet!)
Store bought seems to be my freind right now.
Can I get a group hug?
Not sure, but I think I was looking for a log splitter, not a pissing match!
Everyone has opinions, I like to hear them all!
The splitter I am building for the mini will do good to be a semi substitute until I get something better. Carl wins this one Al. The beam I have is trash at best!! (and I don't have a decent cylinder, or the CONFIDENCE to use the big beam yet!)
Store bought seems to be my freind right now.
Can I get a group hug?
Paul B
I dig hammocks.
Al Smith
Mac Daddy
Well maybe now that the smoke has cleared ,a little thought on this .
Firstly I have no software to determine beam rotational forces nor know a freakin thing about cad-cam nor claim to be an engineer of any sort .
How some ever ,in regard to beam rotational forces there is a method to eliminate or otherwise utilize a lighter weight beam for such applications of a log spitter . The rotational forces are or could be present in the beam web itself .
An age old method for strengthening same is simpley welding straight gussets about every 12 inchs extending from flange to flange .This transfers the rotaional forces from the web and to and inclusive of the flanges themself .This practice is older than myself and LJ combined and is widely accepted .
I suppose there are other methods .On that though if you look at a "footed" splitter ,the foot plate does basically the same with regards to rotational forces .Often times with a splitter that use the knife on the end and a push plate on the cylinder ,the beam end is boxed to basically do the same .
Firstly I have no software to determine beam rotational forces nor know a freakin thing about cad-cam nor claim to be an engineer of any sort .
How some ever ,in regard to beam rotational forces there is a method to eliminate or otherwise utilize a lighter weight beam for such applications of a log spitter . The rotational forces are or could be present in the beam web itself .
An age old method for strengthening same is simpley welding straight gussets about every 12 inchs extending from flange to flange .This transfers the rotaional forces from the web and to and inclusive of the flanges themself .This practice is older than myself and LJ combined and is widely accepted .
I suppose there are other methods .On that though if you look at a "footed" splitter ,the foot plate does basically the same with regards to rotational forces .Often times with a splitter that use the knife on the end and a push plate on the cylinder ,the beam end is boxed to basically do the same .
sotc
Dormant hero!!
can you draw that al?
lumberjack
Young man on the go
Picture an I beam with a piece of flat bar running from flange to flange at a regular interval.
Depending on materials, a latice structure wouldn't be bad either.
Depending on materials, a latice structure wouldn't be bad either.
sotc
Dormant hero!!
oh, wouldnt you be better off with square tube at that point?
Al Smith
Mac Daddy
This is the best I could come up with .It wouldn't let me leech the picture for some reason .
I welded in many of these when I worked at Baldwin -Lima _ Hamilton for use in huge Lima cranes .
The welding method was different than what's shown in the picture in that it was done completly around ,both sides ,web and flanges . http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+web+gusset&start=20&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N
I welded in many of these when I worked at Baldwin -Lima _ Hamilton for use in huge Lima cranes .
The welding method was different than what's shown in the picture in that it was done completly around ,both sides ,web and flanges . http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+web+gusset&start=20&gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N
sotc
Dormant hero!!
oh, that makes better sence. been thinking of working mine over a little more as i do get a littl flex on the harder stuff. also seen a splitter where the slide (part attached to the ram) went over the whole beam instead of just the top flange. may do that also, havent decided
Al Smith
Mac Daddy
It's just an alternative Willie ,they all work .
You could use a massive beam like me if you have one . Not too many folks have a W10 72 laying around though .That is 72 pounds per foot times what 5 feet or so ,damned heavy I'll tell you that .
You could use a massive beam like me if you have one . Not too many folks have a W10 72 laying around though .That is 72 pounds per foot times what 5 feet or so ,damned heavy I'll tell you that .
sawinredneck
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Well, my search has not gone that well. I have found a few machines that I am VERY interested in.
The Ramsplitter 25ton:http://www.ramsplitter.com/ModelH25.html
With the Honda, price includes delivery to a buisness, not a problem.
The American, I spoke to the owner for about an hour discusing my needs/wants and this is what he suggested for me:http://www.americanmsr.com/logsplitters.htm The AM24HH with the Honda. $2500 delivered to a freight terminal.
I have given up on the mini splitter, the largest cylinder I have is 14 1/2" stroke, too short to be of much use with the aux. circuit on the machine. Off and on, flipping wood to finish the split.
I am thinking again, foolishly I am afraid, of building another one. I still have a beam plenty strong for my needs, but nothing else!
I have found a HondaChinabrand clone engine cheap: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Max-4-St...ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1234570369&sr=1-2
But I am disgusted with myself for even looking at it, but it's half the price of a Honda, and will pull a 22gpm pump easy.
I am thinking a 26" stroke 4 1/2" bore cylinder for power and decent cycle times. A 4" would probably be more than enough?
I am mulling now. Still shell shocked I guess from the failures of the monster and would rather not have a repeat of that.
The Ramsplitter 25ton:http://www.ramsplitter.com/ModelH25.html
With the Honda, price includes delivery to a buisness, not a problem.
The American, I spoke to the owner for about an hour discusing my needs/wants and this is what he suggested for me:http://www.americanmsr.com/logsplitters.htm The AM24HH with the Honda. $2500 delivered to a freight terminal.
I have given up on the mini splitter, the largest cylinder I have is 14 1/2" stroke, too short to be of much use with the aux. circuit on the machine. Off and on, flipping wood to finish the split.
I am thinking again, foolishly I am afraid, of building another one. I still have a beam plenty strong for my needs, but nothing else!
I have found a HondaChinabrand clone engine cheap: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Max-4-St...ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1234570369&sr=1-2
But I am disgusted with myself for even looking at it, but it's half the price of a Honda, and will pull a 22gpm pump easy.
I am thinking a 26" stroke 4 1/2" bore cylinder for power and decent cycle times. A 4" would probably be more than enough?
I am mulling now. Still shell shocked I guess from the failures of the monster and would rather not have a repeat of that.
sawinredneck
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sawinredneck
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Ok, time is coming and I need to figure out what I need/want. I've given up on building one it's just not worth the time and troubles.
I really like the American am-24HH:http://www.americanmsr.com/logsplitters.htm
That is around $2500 set up with the Honda and a 2" ball shipped.
Then I got to looking more and found this:http://www.logsplitter.com/Qstore/p000067.htm
They also have a 16 ton that would pobably do the Oak just fine. It's not cheap, but quiet and not having another gas engine to maintain has some nice benifits! I don't see needing to take it anywhere (right now at least) so being corded doesn't bother me a whole lot. But having to wire it for 220, new breaker and the high dollar wire add up to the price as well.
I also have no idea how well an electric splitter would do, and it's a lot on the low side.
I really like the American am-24HH:http://www.americanmsr.com/logsplitters.htm
That is around $2500 set up with the Honda and a 2" ball shipped.
Then I got to looking more and found this:http://www.logsplitter.com/Qstore/p000067.htm
They also have a 16 ton that would pobably do the Oak just fine. It's not cheap, but quiet and not having another gas engine to maintain has some nice benifits! I don't see needing to take it anywhere (right now at least) so being corded doesn't bother me a whole lot. But having to wire it for 220, new breaker and the high dollar wire add up to the price as well.
I also have no idea how well an electric splitter would do, and it's a lot on the low side.
squisher
THE CALM ONE!!!!
I have very limited experience with mechanical woodsplitters but I'd be very leery of a electrical splitter.
sawinredneck
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I agree, to a point, this is a three horse meant to be run on 240v, pretty good power. No maintainince, no cold start, no cleaning the damn carb etc. Worse comes to worse I drag along the Hobart genset to run it off of, not effecient, but effective.
Downside, it's more money than gas, a little slower than gas, limited portability, limited splitting capabilities (pretty much straight grain and no crotches) but it's supposed to be built to the same specs ans the gas model?
Downside, it's more money than gas, a little slower than gas, limited portability, limited splitting capabilities (pretty much straight grain and no crotches) but it's supposed to be built to the same specs ans the gas model?
