When I went to New Tribe to get a new custom saddle made, back in 05, I settled on a medium waist belt and small leg pads. My decision was based whilst hanging on a rope in different permutations of standard sizes. For a production belt I have to say the fit, price and utility of it could not have been better if I made the saddle myself. New Tribe did a real fine job. New Tribe wasn't UL listed then and Sophie was on the fence trying to decide whether to go big or stay small, as she told me, "It's a slippery slope." Now, aint that the truth. Well I'm real glad they took the leap and got in with August to bring out this new permutation of New Tribes skill. Even though I'm not climbing anymore I'm sure it's the cat's "Meow".