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Well, as the song says, if you can make it there you can make it anywhere. :thumbup:
 
There are lots of places much worse off than here, thats for sure.

I have been thinking about the Chip on my shoulder. I guess you could call it that.

But doesn't anyone recognize that good ideas in populated areas might affect folks in non populated areas?

We lost tens of thousands of dollars when Oprah decided to comment on beef, folks in Washington lost huge when she commented on apples.


The west side of our state decided to outlaw trapping on state lands. Lots and lots of folks up here survive the winter on coyote pelts.

We were going to get our gold mine going again.......negative. I talked to a gal and she said that she was fine with Montana staying like a "park". That measure failed.

Average family of 4 is paying 10 to 12 thousand for the Affordable Care Act. Some are paying 20 thousand. My friend and his wife are paying 1500 a month.

Average income for the town for a family is around 22 thousand. I believe per capita is 16,000 or so.

I have no problem working towards other futures, like I said, I favor a diverse energy plan. Short term, these decisions have consequences in extraction areas.

We mustn't shit can Obamacare because some folks could lose their high priced, high deductible coverage? Them folks will die in the streets! We must help them transition! The growing pains will be too high!

But we have no problems closing coal mines, pipelines, or potential energy sources? Where is the help there? Where is the transition for those people?

Where is the safety net? Is the plan really to shut it all down and hope something in the way of green energy turns out?


Yeah, yeah.......the chip is getting bigger. friggin' A right it is.
 
Jim, I agree there is a dilemma/conflict between urban and rural laws and regulations, a classic example is how most folks in Illinois have to live by the law of CHICAGO, which is very different from the rest of that state. Be thankful you're not in that boat, it may be harder to have so many guns. I can't think of a good example off hand but I bet it goes the other way too.

I think that too many people view the government as some sort of parent figure. I always hear about the part of America that was"left behind" and that I should feel bad for all of the coal miners and steel workers who lost their jobs. Well, I don't! If you cannot adapt you will perish, simple as that. Blaming the government for the world moving on without you is just sorry in my opinion.
 
Man, that's some paranoid shit, Bob. Have you forgotten that Hillary lost? Or are "they" still somehow pulling strings from behind curtains? And why is it that your party could not effectively replace the aca?

I fully agree, religion should most definitely be kept out of public schools.
 
Almost universally these people want to be left alone.

It was the GOVT and their buddies that wanted that coal in the first place. Were they supposed to say no to the govt when they needed coal to fight all the wars they needed?

The govt was going to have that coal one way or another. Kentucky, W Virgina and south eastern Montana did not have the option of saying "gosh, we think we would rather focus on tourism."

There were no options to adapt. Regulation prevents it.......its a smart move. The Govt needs these resources, you cant pretend they dont. If they can get it from China, they will. If they can save money getting it here, they will. If they want the resources, they get extracted.



It is not so different in this state. We abide by the laws of the western side.
 
It's odd when the same type of people who rail against social programs and a social state piss and moan when they loose their factory or mine job. You cannot embrace capitalism halfway, you're either in or your out. And rest assured, these are decisions based on capitol. For those who don't know, capitalism is dog eat dog in the strictest sense, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's root, hog and die baby!
 
FireFighterZero said:
Almost universally these people want to be left alone.

It was the GOVT and their buddies that wanted that coal in the first place. Were they supposed to say no to the govt when they needed coal to fight all the wars they needed?

The govt was going to have that coal one way or another. Kentucky, W Virgina and south eastern Montana did not have the option of saying "gosh, we think we would rather focus on tourism."

There were no options to adapt. Regulation prevents it.......its a smart move. The Govt needs these resources, you cant pretend they dont. If they can get it from China, they will. If they can save money getting it here, they will. If they want the resources, they get extracted.



It is not so different in this state. We abide by the laws of the western side.
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Jim, there's always an option to adapt to your surroundings, be it political, economical, whatever. Individuals made choices to base their lives around mine jobs, no one forced them to do it.
 
Levi said:
Man, that's some paranoid shit, Bob. Have you forgotten that Hillary lost? Or are "they" still somehow pulling strings from behind curtains? And why is it that your party could not effectively replace the aca?

I fully agree, religion should most definitely be kept out of public schools.
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Moi aussi, religion should not be taught at school.
 
So maybe we have something closer to this-

Corporate capitalism

See also: State monopoly capitalism and Crony capitalism

Corporate capitalism is a free or mixed-market economy characterized by the dominance of hierarchical, bureaucratic corporations.
 
The old all or nothing question? Would I prefer no Govt?

The libertarian in me would say yes. But, as you know, Govt is too big to fail.

But a govt that does not regulate every aspect of my daily life would be nice.

I get a kick out of listening to Europeans, who WE claim are less free than us. They come over here and cant believe the level of regulations.
 
Could be worse I guess, my friend from Adelaide, AUS, told me that it is illegal to ride with your arm out the window:O
 
I agree though, I feel I live in a police state where my every move is scrutinized. In the town I grew up in, the sheriff would often say ''If you're not harming or bothering anyone I could care less what you do." That was a nice place to live.
 
Well, sure. You can have as many definitions of Capitalism as you need.

Usually, many definitions are needed when you need to either defend or attack a "philosophy".

None of it is free market Capitalism. None of it fosters competition, free exchange of monies and ideas, voluntary transactions.
 
I disagree. In my industry and market at least, free market capitalism is alive and well.

There are many definitions of capitalism due to there being many forms and incarnations of the basic idea, I don't think those definitions were created to attack or defend a philosophy...
 
Levi said:
None of what?
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Your other categories of "capitalism".

You can go to town and buy a hamburger right? The hamburger being the most perfect of all known foods.


You can go to McDonald's and buy a "hamburger". Or you can go to a locally owned, all natural, locally sourced, grass fed, organic, hemp infused burger joint. Both are hamburgers, right?

They both get to be sold as "hamburgers", but they are not the same thing.


Depending on your agenda, the various definitions and forms of Capitalism can all be sold as "capitalism". Even though Free Market Capitalism and Chrony Capitialism are not even close to the same thing.

Same thing is done with Socialism. You have one definition that Stig and others like to use, working together to help your fellow man.

Or you have the definition that I like to use.....

We have different agendas.
 
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