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BeerGeek

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The ethanol free gas should ne priced the same, if not slightly less, if it's from a pump station up there. I recently was in northern PA at one of the ones I get it from, and the 89 ethanol free was actually $0.12 cheaper a gallon. Can't believe it wasn't sold out, but then again, it's still $0.40 more expensive than regular, so with people getting pinched like they are, kinda makes sense.
 

lxskllr

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They were always a bit more. Going from memory, I was paying $3.40 when gas was $2.40 down here. From the same station, I think it was the most expensive gas product. It's a mid grade. 91 octane if I remember right, but still more expensive than the corn premium. I could be misremembering also. I haven't been up there in awhile. I usually only go when I need gas, and that's once a year. It was even longer this last time cause I bought a NO SPILL gascan from the sawshop and filled it on my way by, so I was a bit overstocked for awhile.
 

gf beranek

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Regional pricing of fuel simply confounds me.

Despite major refineries in the Bay Area... fuel prices at the pump in the Bay Area run the highest in the State, and incur the most minimal of trucking costs to the pump.

Yet in the midwest, with significantly higher trucking costs to the pump fuel prices stand as the lowest nationwide.
Logically it leaves a lot to wonder.

Realistically it leaves nothing to wonder.
 

BeerGeek

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Gerry, the pricing has to do more with taxes than the logistics costs to get it to the pumps. You live in what is commonly referred to a "socialist nirvana", where your progressive pols add more taxes, fees and regulations, some on a more local level than statewide, making it more expensive even though shipping costs should play a more prominent role (as they do in my state; the closer to the refineries, the cheaper the fuel usually is, as there is only the state/fed tax to deal with). Also see Bob's meme on the previous page about govt. controls, which your state has added more on top of the feds, and it becomes even muddier.
 

Tree09

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Yet in the midwest, with significantly higher trucking costs to the pump fuel prices stand as the lowest nationwide.
Logically it leaves a lot to wonder.
We've got lots and lots of refineries here, with pipelines to distribute it everywhere. Trucking is reserved for the final trip from the terminal to the gas station. So no matter which station you stop at, it's all the same fuel, only the additives are changed.
 

treetx

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We've got lots and lots of refineries here, with pipelines to distribute it everywhere. Trucking is reserved for the final trip from the terminal to the gas station. So no matter which station you stop at, it's all the same fuel, only the additives are changed.
Correct. It is a totally fungible product once it leaves the refinery. The retailer pulls it from the rack by truck and adds additives but the gas from a Shell gast station might be from a Chevron refinery....
 

Fiddler

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Complaints everywhere i look, but folks around here are still driving like bats out of hell. Guess it's not as serious as back when long groups were tailgating each other and drafting any bigger vehicle they could find.
 

CurSedVoyce

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Perhaps, if government spent the monies approprietly and shat actually got done in timely fashion, folks would be accepting of the taxing. However, that is not always the case and a lot of skimming and greased palms later, not much gets done. Or they completely renig on what they said they would of would not do with the money in the first place. Whole damn system needs a reset.
 

SeanKroll

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fully agree about needing major overhaul. If they started cutting hands of stealing politicians, it would change things.

Not meaning it as a snooty Grammer Nazi, but fwiw it's renege. Just a word nerd. I have to use it to describe a certain parent's chronic behavior, lately, a lot.

People get upset with renege as it is.
I, personally, wouldn't use niggardly, a legit non-racial word, if I recalled what it meant.
 

SeanKroll

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Nothing to apologize for.

I didn't know how to spell it until recently.



If it was throwing stones about spell checking and formatting, people could offer me some Windex for my glass house.


I learn through my own efforts and others' insights and contribyooshuns.

This guy that I'm currently working for is just back from 4 years in Japan. He's a recently retired, 53 year old Army Colonel. The BS'ing I mentioned in the other thread was part BS'ing and part discussing some the current state of the world and US. I always appreciate hearing other people's legit perspectives.

He and I live in very different worlds, and are able to have good conversation.

He was saying that the politicians and the broken system are a huge issue, as many here say...something many can agree upon.
 

BeerGeek

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Sean, that scenario is floated by a number of politicians and "Highway Advocacy" groups who only see it as another cash cow to milk us the general population with. The fuel tax (when properly inflation-indexed) is actually a better method of doing "road funding", especially when (and in spite of) being controlled by govt. Electric vehicles might have to be "user-fees", unless their electricity to their vehicles is properly taxed (if at all possible). If the roads were privately owned, your scenario is a potentially more realistic option to remunerate the owners, but then that would limit building/maintaining of roads to a lot fewer owners, and a reduced availability to manage to scale. It''s one of the few areas I'm not hostile to govt. actually managing, because they should then truly belong to "we the people", but the sociopaths in govt. don't allow us to see it that way, as they claim to own them over us. There's a lot more detail/nuance to this, which we can discuss verbally on, if so inclined (I'm a tad busy at the moment).

;)
 
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