Chipper 101

We had a few customers do hugelkultur.
Came in real handy with dumping debris. No chipping necessary. More lop and scatter in holes with oak logs.
Add chips and dirt I guess.
In our garden, we sort of found a balance. But we use red worm.
Just basically plant in wood chips and finer debris. Worms do the rest. Damn near perfect ph.
The hugelkultur gardens Ive seen dont really look any better or yeild any better than ours. Might consume less water. But not by much.
 
Composting by worms works nicely. We did it for years, but once had a really hard freeze for about three weeks that killed them all off. Never got more. Maybe should have, but our composting of household organic waste seems to go pretty well without them.
 
Wetter climate probably B.
Have to have plenty of stuff for the worms to survive winters or summers. But amazingly, they leavecenough eggs often to start up again. Double every 60 or 90 days I believe. Helps to give them a place to migrate too as well. Like some straw bales. Make a box of them to place the other organics in the middle on the edge of the garden.
 
Wait, you guys don't have worms there?

As far as the steel in chipper blades being harder that's correct but there's more to it than that. The steels have pretty different requirements, and chainsaw chain is subjected to very demanding conditions, almost bordering on extreme. It's gotta be abrasion resistant, very very tough, able to be sharpened to a very fine edge, and able to withstand a fair amount of heat without losing those abilities. That kinda determines what alloy steel they use, and all attributes have to be considered because as you increase hardness it becomes more brittle, edge holding is traded with hardness, etc. so everything is a compromise. Carbide for example makes a slow cutting chain, because although it resists abrasion like no other it's hardness makes it brittle, and it can't be sharpened as sharp because the brittle steel chips off on the sharp edge. When comparing carbide and high speed steel for metalwork the high speed steel is going to be able to have a sharper edge, but the carbide withstands heat so well that it will outlast it many times over and can be run much much faster, so that's pretty much what all production work is done with. The cutting edge on carbide tooling is actually a small radius, and it works by literally rubbing the material away. As you run it faster and faster the steel that's being cut heats up making it softer so it can cut even faster. A chainsaw is limited in power, so a sharper less hard chain will cut faster, so that's what we use.

Chipper blades are a simpler high carbon steel, and is subjected to different conditions so it has a different composition. If they were high alloy like chain was they would cost a fortune, and it's not needed. They have the advantage of being much thicker and so it doesn't heat up as much so it keeps its temper. A chipper has a bunch more power so it can tolerate a more rounded cutting edge, which adds toughness as well. Kinda like an ax vs a razor, horses for courses.
 
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Long as we're talking metal here, somewhere here at the House John mentioned the new electrical transmission mono towers replacing the lattice work towers in his hood (my hood as well), they are the color of rust as that is what they are covered with, by design of course, and I was wondering about that premise and the steel used and why their "rusting away" is apparently not a danger. What say thou, @Tree09.
 
Worms a plenty, native ones. But to get them inside a dedicated composting box, in good numbers...it's much more efficacious to buy a batch.
 
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Long as we're talking metal here, somewhere here at the House John mentioned the new electrical transmission mono towers replacing the lattice work towers in his hood (my hood as well), they are the color of rust as that is what they are covered with, by design of course, and I was wondering about that premise and the steel used and why their "rusting away" is apparently not a danger. What say thou, @Tree09.

Dunno, maybe corten steel? Or galvanized? They likely have cathodic protection on it, that can make a huge difference too.
 
Googling yielded corten steel and weathering steel, I think that is what they are, thx for the info
 
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What do you guys do for fuel for your gas equipment? I had intended on buying corn free gas for the chipper, but that's gonna be unsustainable. We used over 10G of gas yesterday. Started with about 5G in the tank, added another 5G, then I had to go out and buy another 5G of pump gas. To do that using corn free, I'd have to buy a fuel truck to feed the chipper, or spend my life fetching fuel.

I'm thinking about buying 1G each of Seafoam and Sta-Bil, then alternating them treating corn gas. Maybe after the Seafoam's gone, switch to using 100% Sta-Bil. Is that overly fussy for a piece of equipment, or sensible? Both chemicals are cheaper than the corn free gas not even counting to cost to fetch it. My biggest concern is the chipper isn't going out every day, and it's of course stored in a non climate controlled area, so there's a decent opportunity for water intrusion as it sits.

I'm annoyed that I even have to think about fuel. All corn gas is, is socialism for farmers. There's barely an energy savings(corn doesn't distill itself), and the costs for damaged equipment far exceed the trivial savings of adulterating petrol, nevermind the reduced energy density of alcohol. I've never seen bad gas in my life(that was reasonably stored). I figure it's a byproduct of a different age. If it wasn't for the alcohol, I wouldn't bother adding stabilizers to fuel.
 
Your in a bit of a bind there. How often do you think you'll use the chipper? Corn gas is typically good for a month or so. Also, don't bother with seafoam, just use the stabil. I like seafoam but stabil is a better product for storing fuel.
 
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Hard to say. That's part of the problem. I could see it getting used every week for stretches, then nothing for a month+. Since I'm not a business there's no mandate that it stays active.

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What interests me about the Seafoam, is it's a cleaner as well as a stabilizer. My thoughts were I could clean the previous owner's crud from the system(is there any?), then go to 100% Sta-Bil after it's presumably cleaned out.
 
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My only trouble with ethanol was in my log splitter. Little bit of powdery corrosion in carb float bowl. Cleaned it up and good to go. Sometimes it is many months when I don't use it. I probably should drain the tank and carb. No corrosion in tank.

Pulling drain plug on float bowl would be a good idea if it has one.
 
Having an old school glass bowl strainer/separator right after the tank does wonders. Had some gas sitting in the welding machine for too long, would run on full choke only, so i drained the bowls and added some naptha in it, 2 weeks later when i fired it up again it's purring like normal.
 
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I ordered a gallon of Sta-Bil; $50. That's a bargain compared to corn free gas if it works. I pay an extra dollar/G for corn free, and it's a 15 mile drive from the office to get it. I'm holding off on the Seafoam for the time being.
 
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Could do that. One of my concerns is water getting in the fuel, binding to the alcohol, and ending up with a gob of water/alcohol mix at the bottom of the tank, instead of a bit of water working it's way through the system as the motor's used. I may be overthinking it, but there's a bunch of at least theoretical problems with a mixture of alcohol and petrol. I'm hoping the Sta-Bil does what it says on the bottle and prevents that.

I've always been pretty skeptical of magic additives that purport to make fuel/engines better. Seems like it's hardly enough to matter(1oz Sta-Bil:2.5G fuel), but there isn't much to 2stroke mix either, and that keeps the motors running :shrugs:

I never worried about it much til I got good saws. Cars just run, and lawnmowers I couldn't give 2 shits about. I care about the saws, and I care the chipper, so I've been thinking about it more. Getting pure gas for the saws is easy enough, but the chipper is a little more challenging.

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and I'll look into the strainer Kyle. I vaguely know what you're talking about(Been a looong time since I've seen one). It that a full on filter, or is that in addition to a filter? I want to get a new filter for it too.
 
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I'm from Illinois, it's everywhere here :lol: I've worked in quite a few ethanol plants too, so i don't mind too much, thanks guys! A chainsaw revs wayyyy higher than your chipper motor, so i think it's more justified to spend the money and run only the best. But you likely don't buy only ethanol free for your truck, and that's an even bigger and more costly engine than the chipper, which i assume is carbureted? I grew up doing a mowing business, so I'm pretty familiar with fixing small engines, and so i let stuff slide more than most because i know can fix it and get it going without too much bother at all. I usually don't stabilize it, i simply react if it needs it. Any regular gas will degrade with time, the volatiles evaporate leaving varnish, and all will absorb water as it condenses in the tank and runs down into the gas, ethanol more so obviously. But they also let gasoline sit in big tanks until it's used, so So any gas sitting is too long is bad. But it'll be n good longer than you think because its usually easy enough to clean it up with some additives like seafoam to get it to run so you can work it and let it burn it all out. If you know it's gonna sit for awhile you can drain it and put it in your truck or something, but i usually let it sit, usually up to 6 months, sometime more :/: And yes that means i don't drain the mower at the end of the year.

Everything i have is carbureted so that makes it easy to fix, and at most it usually just needs the carb torn down and cleaned a bit. I usually cut my own gaskets out of a cereal box so i don't even need a kit unless i need to replace other parts like the needle valve and seat, or you can have gasket sheets handy too. If you're gonna go do a job ideally get it running a few days before if you can, so if you've treated the fuel it can sit in the lines a bit and clean them. First I'll try to fire it up, often with it sitting long enough to need a jump. If it's not working right away I'll drain the carburetor bowl till i get good smelling gas, in time you'll be able to tell right then and there if you can get away with it or if it needs drained and burned in a bonfire. If i get it running and able to make it stay that way I'll add new gas to help dilute the old, and maybe dump in some seafoam/naphtha if it sounded rough or fought getting started (or if i think it's been sitting long enough to warrant). Fire it back up again then go do something else for awhile, letting it run wide open and clean itself.

If that didn't do it I'll dump the bowl. If it was really bad ill fill the bowl with naptha, cycle it til it pops, then kill it and let it sit. If that didn't work it's time to pull the carburetor once confirming its not a wet plug from the air intake or failed attempts of starting water filled gas. Take it in the shop on a clean table (an old countertop works great) and split it, and start spraying carb cleaner in every hole you can see. Clean the bowl, and pull the needle valve under the float and clean it with carb cleaner and a paper towel (ideally the shop kind). Clean the seat, and put it back together. You can also count the turns in to stop on the adjustment screws, write down how many turns to get back to where you were, pull them out and spray in there and clean the screws taper seating area. Blowgun if you have one to make sure all crap is cleared away, and clean any gasket surfaces. Then you're ready to cut your gaskets.

Some dykem works best, but you can literally paint one mating surface with a sharpie and press it on the gasket material to mark it. A cheap hole punch set is awesome for cutting bolt holes, but you can cut the whole thing out with a razor blade, carefully cutting just outside the lines to leave a gasket I usually lightly coat the mating surfaces lightly with neversieze and put your newly cleaned and semi rebuilt carb back. Set it where it was or to the factory startup specs found online, and tune it when it warms up a bit. This goes pretty quick when you've done a few of them, but since you're wanting your chipper for jobs it might not be a bad idea to have a second carburetor sitting on the shelf so you don't need to rebuild it right then and there and you're ready no matter what. A good cleaning like that fixes it usually, if it needs more rebuilding the only other parts would be swapping the screws, valve, and seats that you simply cleaned, and the kits are pretty cheap. Considering how little money and effort that is i don't bother much, and honestly with a bit of naphtha when you want to fire it up, maybe some isopropyl alcohol like heat (both are ingredients in seafoam), and some fresh gas to add and you're off to the races.
 
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Long shot... Does anyone happen to have a picture of a used chipper knife? Something that shows when it's ready to be flipped or sharpened? In the Bandit video, they say it's important to keep the knives in good condition, and they show something that looks like it was found next to the railroad tracks. Anyone that lets their knives get that bad should be kicked in the balls :^D

IOW, I'm trying to figure out how dull is dull. Maybe when a machete of that sharpness is no longer worth carrying; just knocks stuff over instead of cutting?
 
Long shot... Does anyone happen to have a picture of a used chipper knife? Something that shows when it's ready to be flipped or sharpened? In the Bandit video, they say it's important to keep the knives in good condition, and they show something that looks like it was found next to the railroad tracks. Anyone that lets their knives get that bad should be kicked in the balls :^D

IOW, I'm trying to figure out how dull is dull. Maybe when a machete of that sharpness is no longer worth carrying; just knocks stuff over instead of cutting?
Run your finger (lightly) over the edge, use your eyes, a couple of small nicks out of it isn’t the end of the world if the rest of the edge is good.
Does it chip like the day it came out of the factory? If not, you need to replace.
 
Are you touching-up the edge?

Chip quality is an indicator.

Anvil condition (squareness of the edge) and gap setting area crucial.

Let's see pics of your blades and anvil.
 
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