Anyone Use The Logger's Boot Tie For Laces?

[lxskllr]

My spur climbing boots have been pissing me off. They're old military deck boots, and the laces they came with weren't like modern laces, so I swapped them with paracord. Problem is the paracord unties itself when I use the standard military wrap & knot I use on my normal boots.

For a logger knot, you put a loop in the lace on the final hole on each side and push it through. That give you two bights of cord, and two free ends. Take each free end and put it through the opposite bight, and pull tight. That's it. I'll be trying it myself tomorrow, but I was curious if anyone else used it, and if they find it acceptable.

 

[Tree09]

Got a pic?

 

[lxskllr]

Here's a video...



I couldn't find a pic in a quick search, but I've seen it before somewhere.

 

[pantheraba]

New to me.

 

[treesmith]

I've tied square knots for years, after cutting the laces so there's only about 3" of tails beyond the knot. They stay tied until I take them off that evening.

 

[lxskllr]

The way I normally tie boots is leaving them laced in the speedloops, pull them tight, then wrap til you can't get anymore wraps, tie in a... square knot is probably ideal, but I end up with whatever I get. Might be square, might be a granny... then tuck the free ends under the wraps. Usually holds great. Once in a blue moon, heavy brush might untie them, but not usually.

Side note... Why do pretty much every set of laces eat shit? Anyone thinking that kernmantle design is a good idea for laces should be kicked the balls til they see the light. It's a solved problem, but near as I can tell, the only ones that use them are combat boots. Solid braid cord that wears like iron, stays tied, and is trivially easy to repair using a sheet bend. Also, military speedloops are superior to just about everything else. You shouldn't ever have to run a lace through a loop unless you break it. Leave them tied, put them on, pull the laces. Done... Never seen them on anything but combat boots either...

 

[cory]

I've tied square knots for years, after cutting the laces so there's only about 3" of tails beyond the knot. They stay tied until I take them off that evening.

Same exact here

 

[Jomo]

I like starter cord best meself.



Jomo

 

[ruel]

Starter cord and throwline both hold up well imo. I leave a permanent knot And just weave over the tabs, throwline is too Slippery to hold a regular slipped reef knot.

Ive used the loggers tie when I was wearing whites, works great. Works even better with rawhide Laces

 

[greengreer]

Paracord will break in and work well, just takes some time

 

[tblough]

I just go "around the tree" twice. Laces stay put.

 

[pantheraba]

Same here. I learned once as a kid...learned the twice method from the Sherrill Tree catalog about 20 years ago. It always holds.

 

[lxskllr]

Oh, are you guys talking about a surgeons knot? I thought the "tree" was the top of the boot.

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BTW, I tried it today, and it seemed alright. I'm not ready to cut the cords I have on it, but I might make a new set to try it proper. I made a kind of hybrid system. A loggers knot then the military wraps just to take the slack away, but it was the loggers holding things together, and it seemed to work well.

 

[davidwyby]

Ironlaces

 

[lxskllr]

I'll check those out next time I have to buy laces.

Been using the loggers knot exclusively on my spur boots, and it's worked flawlessly. Holds all day. A couple times they became looser than I originally tied them, but just a smidge looser, and it was still fine. Might've also just been my pants coming untucked. Seems to happen when climbing.

 

[Cobleskill]

I tie another knot, overhand I guess you would call it, on top of the usual bow. Pull it good and tight. Stays tight for days as I don't untie, just pull off hooks. Works on paracord. Eventually it will slip after many days and need to be retied.

 

[biggun]

I tie my boots like I tie trainers /sneakers.

Just double up if your worries they will come loose.

What is the logger method you use? Vid didn’t work.

 

[lxskllr]

I still can't find a damned picture.

Lace up your boots as usual leaving the top holes open.
Make a bight with the right lace, put it through the left hole.
Make a bight with the left lace, put it through the right hole.
Take the free end of the left side, put it through the right bight.
Take the free end of the right side, put it through the left bight.
Pull tight, and friction holds it in place.

If it's setup right, you'll have two strings hanging down, maybe 4"-5" long, and you just let them dangle there. I'm assuming the idea is to eliminate loops that can get snagged in underbrush while walking.

The US military tying style also eliminates snags, but it doesn't work well in paracord. To get maximum benefit, you should also use US military boots. The eyelets are ideally suited for that style. Dunno about foreign militaries, and I've never seen good eyes on civilian boots.

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I guess there's no law that says I can't make my own pics :^D

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Stage 2 left loose for better visibility



A couple notes. Those laces are a little short. I cut one lace in half to conserve resources. It just squeaks by, but it should be longer. Also, that isn't a good example of a proper eyelet. That style has been obsolete for decades. This is what a proper eyelet looks like...



With these, you lace them once, then tie a stopper in the end so it can't pull through the top eyelet. You put them on, pull the laces to tighten, wrap around the top of the boot, tie a square knot, then tuck the free ends under the wraps. Trim, tidy, and nothing to snag.

 

[biggun]

Thanks.

Had a look on my chainsaw boots. Health and Safety here mean we should where chainsaw boots and not military boots.

Both my pairs of boots, chainsaw pro and climbing boots don’t have eyes at the top.

Thanks anyway for taking the time.

 

[BlackSmith]

I still can't find a damned picture.

Lace up your boots as usual leaving the top holes open.
Make a bight with the right lace, put it through the left hole.
Make a bight with the left lace, put it through the right hole.
Take the free end of the left side, put it through the right bight.
Take the free end of the right side, put it through the left bight.
Pull tight, and friction holds it in place.

If it's setup right, you'll have two strings hanging down, maybe 4"-5" long, and you just let them dangle there. I'm assuming the idea is to eliminate loops that can get snagged in underbrush while walking.

The US military tying style also eliminates snags, but it doesn't work well in paracord. To get maximum benefit, you should also use US military boots. The eyelets are ideally suited for that style. Dunno about foreign militaries, and I've never seen good eyes on civilian boots.

edit:
I guess there's no law that says I can't make my own pics :^D

Stage 1

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Stage 2 left loose for better visibility

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A couple notes. Those laces are a little short. I cut one lace in half to conserve resources. It just squeaks by, but it should be longer. Also, that isn't a good example of a proper eyelet. That style has been obsolete for decades. This is what a proper eyelet looks like...

View attachment 141092

With these, you lace them once, then tie a stopper in the end so it can't pull through the top eyelet. You put them on, pull the laces to tighten, wrap around the top of the boot, tie a square knot, then tuck the free ends under the wraps. Trim, tidy, and nothing to snag.

You really should have that leg looked at, just say’n.