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Carl
I think that the center peace should be all 1 peace. made on a lathe it well be easer to turn down the out the side & keeping the inside round as you remove material.
cutting a round washer that size on a mill will be a pane. Do you need it to step down 3 time?
can it be the large hole to the small hole if it is just for clearness? if the large outside ring was 1.50" thick step to the small outside ring 1.25" thick total 2.75". then large hole can be deeper 1.00". by doing this you cut out two steps.

Travis
 
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I broke it down to make it easier to keep track.

Carl,

If the center tube is just a passage for a shaft as I suspect, then the only tolerances that matter will be the parallelism of the two faces and the relationship of the two sets of bolt holes...

On the tube itself, nothing really matters but the finished length. It will be assembled before the two plates are joined.

...Your tubing assembly will give you a few small problems, because the tubing will not be perfectly round, and the inside of each tube will have a small weld seam that will need to be removed to allow the next tube to slide in...

There is only 2 pieces of tubing, both are DOM. The difference in ID and OD is 1". The piece that connects the two is machined from the extra flat bar mentioned above. It can be made to fit whatever dimensions the tubes come to.

...When you weld on the flat plates, make the stackup a little thicker than the finished dimension to allow for machining both faces on the Bridgeport. Clamp the small face to the table (you'll probably need some blocking [or machinists jacks] on the overhanging end and will have to move clamps around as you cut) and take a skim cut until the surface cleans up. Flip the part, cut the small face to the correct dimension. We skim the large face and then cut the small face to the dimension to reduce the amount of material to remove. You could also remove equal amounts if you wanted...

The plan is to machine both plates, make the center tube, and weld them together. So long as the two plates are reasonably concentric with relation to the tube, the rotation of the 2 bolt patterns doesn't matter. Actually "clocking" the transfercase flat has advantages, and there's little disadvange to having this option.

Taking into account the thickness of the plates (.75" and 1") the size of the fillet (.25"), and proper control of the HAZ, facing both plates mounting surfaces shouldn't be required. A gasket or RVT will be used either way and unless there is serious bowing of the plates from the circular weld, I don't forsee an issue.

...While the small face is up, you can put in the bolt pattern on the mill, as well as any holes that can be reached on the lower large face. Flip the part, indicate the previously drilled holes, and drill the remaining holes. You really should spotface the drilled holes so the fastener heads sit perfectly parallel to the faces, but it probably is not real critical and a reverse spotface would probably be hard to find and expensive (MSC might have it)...

The plan (already mentioned I know) is to machine the plates before assembly. I don't see a disadvantage (provided bowing/cupping) is within spec, but I see plenty of advantage.

Facing the plate around the bolt holes is way more effort than is required for the application (transmission/transfer case adapter). The OEM adapter is left as cast in this regard.

If/when I build this, I might take several extra steps just to gain experiance, but this design doesn't need that level of perfection.

...Good luck. You're on the right track and based on your previous work, you should have no problems picking up the few new skills you will need to make this part...

Thanks, I agree it shouldn't be an issue. I appreciate input. I'm sure if/when I get a lathe/mill I'll have to join a new forum to get all my questions answered.

...If you have access to a fairly good size lathe with a good compliment of tooling, you might want to think about making the cylindrical section from one piece.

That would be cool, it would clean up the design considerably. However, it would increase the material cost of the project by 35% and increase machining time dramatically. Unless I'm missing a better, common source, the best option would be a 2.75" length of 5" round bar. I don't have (easy) access 5" bar's price, so I 4x'ed the 2.5" price.


Yeah, B, check out Sketchup. I used it before I got SW.
 
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Carl
I think that the center peace should be all 1 peace. made on a lathe it well be easer to turn down the out the side & keeping the inside round as you remove material.
cutting a round washer that size on a mill will be a pane. Do you need it to step down 3 time?
can it be the large hole to the small hole if it is just for clearness? if the large outside ring was 1.50" thick step to the small outside ring 1.25" thick total 2.75". then large hole can be deeper 1.00". by doing this you cut out two steps.

Travis

The idea for the project is to model it to be effective and efficent. The sizes that matter are the OD of the ends, and that it has enough room for the shaft to pass. The larger end's ID may matter, I've gotta check the face of the transfer case to determine that.
 
Kirk brings up some of my initial thoughts, but worded better Carl.
All the joints, again are a weakness.
Then, no matter how good of a welder you are, you will get some warpage of the metals. I think it would be in your best interest to "face" both sides after welding.
Just a little FYI on a side note, most of those plates had a .030" allowance on the hole size for "fitment issues".
 
Carl, How much did SW cost you? I've used AutoCad (slow) and autocad inventor (great ut expensive...)

I need to buy a decent engineering drawing software package and SW seems to be the best...?
 
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SW2008 will run you $5,000 for the basic package. price go up for add packages.
the basic has a lot more stuff then most users will need.
SW is real easy to use. some tech school offer class on sw.
more shops are using sw over pro e. for the cost of pro e you can 3-4 seats of sw
, user interface a lote more simpler to use.

Travis
 
I second that Al. Here's my current project solid modeled in Autocad 2008 and it will be completely machined on a knee-mill and engine lathe:
I have seen some amazing work done by hobbyist types on operational little engines as well as firearms .

Auto cad ,cad cam and the like are great tools ,no doubt .

It's kind of funny .Some people are great at detailing dimensions etc using a form of computer software or in fact doing it old school using mechanical drawings .I wish I could .

Then you get old farts like me that just form an idea in the gray matter and carve out the parts and they work . What ever works I guess .:)

However using some sort of CNC type of program ,if it works you have a record of it forever ,providing of course you are smart enough to make some back ups . You could make one part or ten thousand then .
 
My $.02. I run and program a CNC horizontal boring mill for a shop that fabricates and rebuilds underground mining equipment. The parts across my machine range from a couple of ounces to nearly two tons. I machine weldments almost every day. You had better plan on doing all machining after welding. Most people have no idea how much heat must go into a proper weld. Even a small bead will pull a thick plate. The picture below is of a low profile cutterhead for a Highwall miner. In the picture you can see two arms that slope down from the center to the sides. These arms raise and lower the cutterdrum. They are run on my machine, and each arm is made from four pieces of steel and over 70lbs per arm of welding wire. A right and left arm set cost over $16,000. Over 40 hours of machining in each arm. We are running 5 sets right now so if I can remember I will snap some pics of the setups and machining.

It is very easy to design parts. The hard part is holding them while you cut or weld them. Like Andy said, any designer should have to spend some time throwing chips before they are allowed to sit at a CAD station. Sorry to be so long winded, but I figure my 2 years in tech school (not counting my CADD degree), and 7 years as a CNC machinist and Production Engineer might help the process along.

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I don't need to build it presently, I was modeling it incase I sold it, I could make another (cheaper), should I need another to sell :).

Hopefully this weekend I'll have a 3d model and the in metal version of a small project clearancing those pumpkins.
 
Carl did the pic' i sent you make any sense? I was thinking you should put the holes into the 2 flat peace first. Then you can bolt them down to mill the outside profiles.

Travis
 
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Yeah, they made sense and made some valid points.

The outside edges can be cut with a bandsaw, torch, plasma, ect. They aren't a critical deminsion.
 
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