Logger types, Jay, are too rough on the edges to mingle with the scholarly climber types. "Birds of a feather"
I recall Chris Atkins, nice enough fellow, the one who found the tallest tree using lasers and such. I met him in the woods two times and showed him trees I climbed, and pictures taken from the tops of those trees looking over the grove. You can clearly see in the pics which are the tallest trees in the grove and it saved Chris a lot of time in cataloging the tallest trees in Montgomery woods.
Well, what the story comes down to is Chris would not break a twig or a fern out of the way to set up his equipment to take measurements. He would walk through the brush very slow and bend the branches back so as not to risk breaking them. I on the other hand barged through the brush knocking it down and leveling ferns like a bull to open room to get through. It's only brush. And last years fire burned it all down anyway. So what's the big deal? Well to those guys the big deal is I don't have any respect for the plants in the forest and am a destructive feature of the ecosystem. Now the bears, the deer knock down, browse and nibble, and the fire can burn up the forest, and that is a natural thing, but a human hiking off trail and breaking twigs and ferns is destructive.
That's how they think. Human's should only view the natural world from the marked trails and not venture off into it. Only the scholarly types are allowed.
Oops, I'm off on a rant again. I better have another cup.