Modern Day Pirates

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I listened to a lot of AM radio today and heard a lot of bluster about how to save that American ship captain who has been held captive by pirates. Everyone has a simple solution. I am curious what Jeff makes of this given his experience in the Coast Guard. What should they do Jeff?
 
I'm not Jeff but Saving the ship Captain isn't easy.... given that the pirates are organized,have other hostages and are mounting a rescue op. As a matter of longstanding policy best for saving the most people there should be no negotiation and no ransom payed EVER and they should blow every pirate they can find to hell......but that doesn't save Captain Phillips.
 
Too bad for the Cap'n, but a few seconds on the CWIS ought to take care of the pirates.
 
I understand that the insurance companies have dictated the policy so far, which is don't defend the ship and pay the ransom. You keep paying the ransom and the pirates will keep stealing ships and kidnapping the crews. So now the pirates are well financed, more organized, and better equipped, and you end up in the situation we are in now.
It's easy to be blustery when what you say has no real consequences. Oh, kind of like me huh? Obama is playing it right. Let the professionals handle this situation and be quiet.
I think that if you are going to change the rules you should let the pirates know that from now on there will be no ransom paid, no negotiations, they are dead. But you can't do that right now we need to get this guy back. Besides he may be related to me.:D
 
I really don't know. I'm not even sure how much of what we're hearing is accurate. I remember the first day it was reported that the crew had "retaken" the ship. It wasn't till the next day that we learned that he surrendered himself for the sake of the crew.

Today I heard that our Navy was under orders to stay a mile away from the pirates for diplomatic reasons and not wanting to aggravate the Somali nation. I know that as far as CG operations, for us (the US) to board a vessel flagged from another nation, it's a huge process of diplomacy and phone calls between countries. But that's for law enforcement. This is a whole 'nother ball of wax. This is terrorism and these people aren't operating as a sovreign nation. There's all kinds of ideas about mini subs and SEAL team insertions. If they're afraid to fire a shot, encircle the boat, and wait them out. Something has to happen after the food runs out. That little boat supposedly only has like a week of food on it. I guess it was the French spec ops (who are actually bad ass mofos) that took back a 47' sail boat from pirates who had a family of hostages. They killed two pirates and captured three more. Sadly, one of the hostages was killed, but the operation was hailed as a success. I'd have agree.

I've been in two "stand offs" with international boats. One Russian, and one Columbian. Both lasted several days. Nothing happens fast on the open ocean when it comes to two boats staring at each other.
 
Would be simpler if they had a 50 cal on each ship and just sank the nergos that needed to be reminded about what comes to pirates over the years... Everything has become too diplomatic... Sinks the dorks!
 
Too bad for the Cap'n, but a few seconds on the CWIS ought to take care of the pirates.

That would have worked fantastic when they skipper jumped out and was swimming for the US cruiser 200 meters away. A 5-10 second burs of 20mm sabot from that system would have ended the ordeal for sure.
But, that is no how these things play out. Some companies have systems in place that negate the pirate issue and some run the risk and negotiate. Funny how many Somali men get "lost" at sea, isn't it.;)
 
If these pirates are being towed out to sea by a mother ship, just sink the mother. The hell with diplomacy, Somalia has had no functioning government for years.

If I was dictator of this country I would put attack helicopters on all the frigates and destroyers patrolling the area and order an air strike on all pirate ships and boats and their land based camps. One Apache helicopter would do a number on their camp for sure.
 
If these pirates are being towed out to sea by a mother ship, just sink the mother. The hell with diplomacy, Somalia has had no functioning government for years.

If I was dictator of this country I would put attack helicopters on all the frigates and destroyers patrolling the area and order an air strike on all pirate ships and boats and their land based camps. One Apache helicopter would do a number on their camp for sure.

If we had you in charge here, and Squishy in charge up there, we would be done fooling around. For sure.;)
 
I am amazed with all the high tech fanzy whazoo horse shit technology we have, that we can't find these fools!
Really, if we can drop a friking bomb down a vent shaft and have it blow up at a predetermined floor. Why the hell can't we find and blow these money grubbing bastards up?
 
I am amazed with all the high tech fanzy whazoo horse shit technology we have, that we can't find these fools!
Really, if we can drop a friking bomb down a vent shaft and have it blow up at a predetermined floor. Why the hell can't we find and blow these money grubbing bastards up?

It's chess, not checkers.
 
Bah, there are transponders on all the legitimate ships. Same policy as aircraft, no transponder, send out the fighters to escort it or shot it down!
 
Jeff, is there a reason the crew of the American ship were not armed? The news reported they held them off at first with fire hoses. Where were the AK47's?
 
I believe it is illegal to have firearms on ships in certain waters over there. Supposedly to make it safer.

Maybe we need more laws like that here, see how well it's working?
 
another factor to the complexities .... NPR mentioned the US. is VERY fearful of engaging Somolia militarily considering our recent history of such activities there ....
 
another factor to the complexities .... NPR mentioned the US. is VERY fearful of engaging Somolia militarily considering our recent history of such activities there ....

I'm guessing you are thinking of when we beat the living shit out of them in 93'?:evil:
 
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