Same here Murph. I big thanks goes out to the people who have helped mentor me!Agreed 100% Kenny... and here's the thing... I would have never been on track to my present understanding without YOU and Dent... Because you tenaciously pointed to Dent's work and related it to other aspects of tree work. (like swinging the limb into the rigging etc) in a way that I would never have gotten by just reading Dent or Jerry. That understanding has opened a lot of doors... THANK YOU SO MUCH!