Chinese 365 Copy...

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Erik mentioned that the quality saw manufacturers are utilizing a lot of resources to protect their interests, but at the same time it seems that the way the company turns a blind eye to the pricing in some other countries, that is what is helping to get the copies made for the markets. A MS200 is about $1200 here, and any larger displacement professional grade Husky or Stihl is generally at least twice to three times the cost of the selling price in the states. I've ordered at least a dozen Huskies from Baileys for folks when they allowed web sales, since the ban, not one guy I work with has purchased a new saw here of those makes, they are just too friggen expensive. They say that they want to protect their dealers here, which is all fine and dandy, but how about offering up a little compassion for the worker who may want a saw and has to budget for it out of a hard earned living.

If I went to my buds, who rely a lot on my advice when looking for saws, and told them that here was this Chinese copy that was every bit as good at a fraction of the cost of what inspired it, they would likely buy the copy with little hesitation. The reputation for poor quality is what holds them back now. At the same time, both Husky and Stihl sell their junk at the hardware stores, particularly Husky, for pocket money. It's all basically the same distribution network up to the retailer to my knowledge, but the huge disparity in pricing is very confusing. It's just no wonder that in this type of situation, wanting quality at substantially cheaper costs will become a factor in what will eventually gets offered.

Well written. Like yourself, we have insanely high saw pricing here. I know what Aussie Stihl dealers are paying for some models of saws. For example, why on earth should I be able to import a 200T from the US, via a 3rd party who is also making some dollars on the deal, for USD$450 LESS than an Australian Stihl dealer's cost? It makes no sense to me at all. Husky is nearly as bad and Makita is also getting there as well.
Talk to any Stihl dealers in Australia and even they feel shafted by Stihl themselves. If they even thought of importing a Stihl saw to sell like myself they'd be dumped as a dealer quick smart.
 
MCW, I just want to apologize for asking you to post pics and video's of this HH 365 copied saw. I figured people would look at it from curiosity point of view like myself and want to see what it is and not start the bashing game. I was wrong.

Thanks for posting thread for me to see.

My Mistake for asking,
Kevin

Where's the bashing?
 
Let me put it this way Magnus. If I was to import these saws I would sell them for lets say USD$450. If they cost me USD$300 landed here and I keep two spare I will always have spares right?
This is all hypothetical though as I am not importing them to sell. As dastevoe mentioned above it is buyer beware. All I have to do is run some fuel through them and sell them as 2nd hand. Warranties are non existant then.
Lucky you...

Good tip but why would I spend time doing that when I can have the saw started with a few extra pulls in 5 seconds? I can understand what you've said, but I can't see how that indicates this saw has poor fuel pressure? If thats the case then every saw I own has poor fuel pressure. None will start under 4 pulls unless warmed up.

By the way, I know about fuel squirt. I copped a facefull of 98 octane (RON) unleaded when I was updating a fuel tank breather on an early series 7900 :( That stung... a lot...

You want to know the system not only can create the pressure, but also holding it.
As you pull a saw down all pressures are neutral. In carb, crankcase above piston etc...
When you pull it creates a pulse that allow pump membrane to create negative pressure in the tank as it draws up fuel. If you have positive pressure in tank it pushes fuel all the way up to main inlet needle. Like a nipple on the newer saws.....
Much cheaper/faster/easier to let it sit on the bench and just tilt it gently left right a couple times, then pull with the result you wish for.
You also see the system is correct, needle is tight, fuel lines, tankvent, tank, carb....
 
MCW, I just want to apologize for asking you to post pics and video's of this HH 365 copied saw. I figured people would look at it from curiosity point of view like myself and want to see what it is and not start the bashing game. I was wrong.

Thanks for posting thread for me to see.

My Mistake for asking,
Kevin

No dramas kevin. It was started not to create interest in sales (because for about the 40th time I'm not selling them) but to show chainsaw enthusiasts what the Chinese are producing. Illegal or not. Wrong or not.

Lucky you...



You want to know the system not only can create the pressure, but also holding it.
As you pull a saw down all pressures are neutral. In carb, crankcase above piston etc...
When you pull it creates a pulse that allow pump membrane to create negative pressure in the tank as it draws up fuel. If you have positive pressure in tank it pushes fuel all the way up to main inlet needle. Like a nipple on the newer saws.....
Much cheaper/faster/easier to let it sit on the bench and just tilt it gently left right a couple times, then pull with the result you wish for.
You also see the system is correct, needle is tight, fuel lines, tankvent, tank, carb....

How many pulls would you expect a new big name saw to start with? Then I'll tell you every saw I have and how many pulls it takes to start when not warmed up.
With the 365 in the video taking 8 pulls to start, that is pretty average for any saw I've pulled down before it decides to suck up fuel and start. I am familiar with impulse lines and carby diaphragms Magnus but thanks for the explanation. I did actually learn something there :)
 
How many pulls would you expect a new big name saw to start with? Then I'll tell you every saw I have and how many pulls it takes to start when not warmed up.
With the 365 in the video taking 8 pulls to start, that is pretty average for any saw I've pulled down before it decides to suck up fuel and start. I am familiar with impulse lines and carby diaphragms Magnus but thanks for the explanation. I did actually learn something there :)
You already told that...
It has actually started on the 4th pull basically every time so far.
My Stihls start on the 4th or 5th pull when cold, as do my Huskies, and as do my Dolmars. If they are meant to start first or second pull than they must all be faulty :)

Pay attension.. You are not on AS now!
You are playing with boy's that actually know something and wish to discuss now!
:P
Provided it is OK, maintained and has decent fuel mix in it:
A normal daily use work saw, 4 pulls and it should run! Preferebly 3+1.
After it's in work/operational temp, 1!
Other than that it goes up on bench!
 
Here is a bastard 365 SP I built stock from the ground up out of pieces. I think this one was tuned 13.5K out of wood and seemed perfect in the cut. Stock RS 3/8 new of reel and 7T.

I test in clean 8x8 or 10x10 square cants to show gains made when changes are done and is more consistent when timing etc. Also if it runs good in the little wood, the same is usually the case in the bigger work hardwoods with 20" 24' 32" etc.

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You already told that...


Pay attension.. You are not on AS now!
You are playing with boy's that actually know something and wish to discuss now!
:P
Provided it is OK, maintained and has decent fuel mix in it:
A normal daily use work saw, 4 pulls and it should run! Preferebly 3+1.
After it's in work/operational temp, 1!
Other than that it goes up on bench!

Whoops, long day Magnus :) 3am here, I should be in bed!
 
Another copy on video with different stickers. ;)

Havent looked at it yet either. He says junk and shows comparison, lets see what he shows. :\:

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Hehe...

I have a china saw or two as well... One lastred a whopping 4 sek!

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Another copy on video with different stickers. ;)

Havent looked at it yet either. He says junk and shows comparison, lets see what he shows. :\:

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Yeah I've seen that one. As mentioned though it pays to remember there are numerous companies copying 365's in China. Some versions have a smaller crank and light duty bearings. They are versions to steer well clear of.
 
Yeah I've seen that one. As mentioned though it pays to remember there are numerous companies copying 365's in China. Some versions have a smaller crank and light duty bearings. They are versions to steer well clear of.

It looked like that too. I caught that this one had bolt on intake to cylinder. Yours was clamp on intake like the 365-372 right?
 
It looked like that too. I caught that this one had bolt on intake to cylinder. Yours was clamp on intake like the 365-372 right?

Yeah that's right. It is clamped.
 
Yeah I've seen that one. As mentioned though it pays to remember there are numerous companies copying 365's in China. Some versions have a smaller crank and light duty bearings. They are versions to steer well clear of.
Isn't that strange...
Is it just in my head it sounds strange that they have capacity to do multiple versions of same in different quality from numerous different factories, but not anything really good?

Yet when you try to locate these factories you find warehouses or office buildings.
But then I guess they could make large quantity's of saws out of a shoe box too for all I know...

I have just seen the factory's that make original saws... With tour of factory and guests welcome!
http://www.chainsawcollectors.se/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=200&t=4325
 
The Chinese stuff isn't going to go way, nor India, Malasia or Poland .Just like Japan ,given enough time it will turn into quality .

Japan was noted for cheap transister radios at one time .Along came Honda with itsy little motorcycles and junk Honda Civics .They laughed .They aren't laughing now .

However it can change .Remember at one time every third car on the highway was a rattley VW bug .They were everywhere .Along comes some bull head by the name of Lee Iacoca with the Ford Maverick and within three-four years VW just about circled the drain .Don't give up the ship just yet, she's only got a slight port list .
 
Well it looks like I got another 372xp to split down, crank is good and piston still has witness lines, and cyl looks grrrreat.

But it was no match for the tree and the tree won :lol:.

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