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Cool tip, do you think that would work with the delta knotted to the end with a double fishermans and an alpine butterfly above it if you don't have a spliced eye?
 
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I would put the delta in the butterfly and a knot in the end to clip to the retrieval line.

The way you describe, the connection from retrieval line to climbing would end up 'above' the choke point and you would be pulling down a 'V' if I am visualizing it right... Try it both ways and let us know!
 
Good job! When's the next one come out? We're going to expect these videos regularly now.. :)
 
I have been using a triple locking carabiner. Last time I used this method I was a little concerned about it rolling on the limb and coming unlocked but it was fine. I guess the advantage here is being able to tighten the connector with a wrench to avoid this from happening?
 
I have a idea on this along with a basal tie set up for emergency descending. It would be a way you could unlock the biner from the ground in case of emergency. Anybody think this would sell? Also it shouldn't cost more than $50 I would guess. Another benefit if using a basal tie would be if someone cut it this would be your back up. Sorry to derail maybe I will start new thread if I get some good feedback.
 
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ClimbMIT said:
I have a idea on this along with a basal tie set up for emergency descending. It would be a way you could unlock the biner from the ground in case of emergency. Anybody think this would sell? Also it shouldn't cost more than $50 I would guess. Another benefit if using a basal tie would be if someone cut it this would be your back up. Sorry to derail maybe I will start new thread if I get some good feedback.
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Lets hear it!
 
Ok, I now have the attention of some good minds here. Here is where my idea is based:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-ring_release_system
I use to skydive and thought a design similar to this would work. This system could have 6mm cord running down the tree to the basal tie. Even if cut you can not unlock it unless you pull down on the cutaway. It wouldn't have to be the same exact 3 ring concept. Now if took a ring (similar to the one on a Petzl harness) and drilled a big enough hole to insert the breakaway cable then to release this you would just pull on the 6mm cord that again would be attached to the cutaway cable. If a groundie cuts through the rope, no problem still attached! As long as it is tied to the basal anchor and can't be pulled with a lot force it's good. Not only that but it would still be a back up only system with the weight distributed all on your tip.
 
Let me ask an SRT dummie question....

With a basal tie, doesn't tying at head level eliminate any issue of groundman slicing your line? I mean, Your groundie would have to be pretty mad and want to see you drop to reach up and cut it no? I could still see an issue with lowering big limbs that need to be cut while suspended at the ground to make room to lay them down. But does typing any higher lessen the risk of a gung ho groundie?
 
Nick you could do a video on a ring/ring friction saver with a stopper on the small side TIP. Do a bunch of redirects and show how easy it still pulls out.

Chris that's the downside of a base tie. It also puts 2x the load on the crotch. That load actually varies with line angle but it's worth noting that it's more than just your weight.

Sometimes tying way out to another tree can help keep things tidy down below.

All that being said I like a base tie but would be nervous with someone green running a saw while I was climbing on one.
 
Tucker943 said:
Let me ask an SRT dummie question....

With a basal tie, doesn't tying at head level eliminate any issue of groundman slicing your line? I mean, Your groundie would have to be pretty mad and want to see you drop to reach up and cut it no? I could still see an issue with lowering big limbs that need to be cut while suspended at the ground to make room to lay them down. But does typing any higher lessen the risk of a gung ho groundie?
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Agreed Chris.... Tying higher solves some of the problem so long that you have no excess of line.
 
Agreed Stephen.... good point Tucker.

Bonner, I'd also like to see this deployed from the tree. Also, how would redirecting on the way down affect retrieval? Is that a fancy double splice end there or what are you using to separate the hardware?
 
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Adam_P said:
Nick you could do a video on a ring/ring friction saver with a stopper on the small side TIP. Do a bunch of redirects and show how easy it still pulls out.

Sometimes tying way out to another tree can help keep things tidy down below.

All that being said I like a base tie but would be nervous with someone green running a saw while I was climbing on one.
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Agreed. I only use this system when a base tie isnt convenient. I will do the r/R trick. I dont want to focus only on SRT stuff though, although thats no reason to exclude an idea.

Bixler said:
Agreed Stephen.... good point Tucker.

Bonner, I'd also like to see this deployed from the tree. Also, how would redirecting on the way down affect retrieval? Is that a fancy double splice end there or what are you using to separate the hardware?
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I have never deployed it from the tree, I have however retrieved my line from within the tree and switched to DRT.

Redirecting can, if done wrong, make retrieval impossible unless you either preset the retrieval line, or take it with you. It takes some planning and conscious climbing thats for sure. I always make sure to set the retrieval line where I plan to exit while I am up high in the tree and always exit with zero redirects.

That eye is a large eye and I whipped it tight... It isnt necessary to use this kind of setup...Take a look:
IMG_20130502_222726.jpg


I just did it for day to day reasons.
 
Tucker943 said:
Let me ask an SRT dummie question....

With a basal tie, doesn't tying at head level eliminate any issue of groundman slicing your line? I mean, Your groundie would have to be pretty mad and want to see you drop to reach up and cut it no? I could still see an issue with lowering big limbs that need to be cut while suspended at the ground to make room to lay them down. But does typing any higher lessen the risk of a gung ho groundie?
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I recently heard on another thread of a guy dropping his Silky and almost slicing the line of the basal. I am nowhere near experienced as most on this thread. Not a dummie question! Maybe just a solution that is unnecessary? I personally like to have a reserve for any situation.
 
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Agreed. I only use this system when a base tie isnt convenient. I will do the r/R trick. I dont want to focus only on SRT stuff though, although thats no reason to exclude an idea.



I have never deployed it from the tree,

The system I described could be set from the ground. You wouldn't have to climb to your TIP if it wasn't necessary for your prescribed work or exit the same spot.

Redirecting can, if done wrong, make retrieval impossible unless you either preset the retrieval line, or take it with you. It takes some planning and conscious climbing thats for sure. I always make sure to set the retrieval line where I plan to exit while I am up high in the tree and always exit with zero redirects.

With a cutaway system you could exit the tree anywhere.
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Anyone ever get cranked up a tree with a GRCS?

I myself might politely decline doing so but someone out there has to have done it.
 
bonner1040 said:
Agreed. I only use this system when a base tie isnt convenient. I will do the r/R trick. I dont want to focus only on SRT stuff though, although thats no reason to exclude an idea.



I have never deployed it from the tree, I have however retrieved my line from within the tree and switched to DRT.

Redirecting can, if done wrong, make retrieval impossible unless you either preset the retrieval line, or take it with you. It takes some planning and conscious climbing thats for sure. I always make sure to set the retrieval line where I plan to exit while I am up high in the tree and always exit with zero redirects.

That eye is a large eye and I whipped it tight... It isnt necessary to use this kind of setup...Take a look:
IMG_20130502_222726.jpg


I just did it for day to day reasons.
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I would figure hop in the bucket and deploy it from there... bam your on the go.
 
I've been pulled up by a truck or machine before, I get pulled up on the rigging line and I'm advancing my hitch on my separate climb line so if the rigging line did snap I wouldn't fall.

Back in the day Dad used to get pulled up by a truck quite a bit, tho that was a bit different back then and he was working at a big camp way out of town taking out huge trees every day.
 
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