Good point Shaun, about customs or an attitude possibly differing on an expectation to lower prices or not. Having had a business in a few countries, I found the people in the states generally good to work for, it being friendly there as far as customers wanting the producer of the service to get a fair shake in the deal as well. A fine quality representative of a kindly culture. Other peoples are not so magnanimously thinking. Personally, I like to see tact in a customer, if they are communicative about the work and want to be understanding of what's involved, might be appreciative of reputation, then they introduce their budget as a consideration in a decent way, I am willing to reconsider price a bit, but if someone starts moaning about money from early on, and i get an impression that they are only interested in making out for themselves with little thought to the needs of myself, like in kind I quickly get to thinking the hell with them, and just as well want to let them take their ill conceived notions out on somebody else. Call it pride or whatever.... It's so much an easier and more enjoyable ride when working for decent folks compared to azzholes, and good customers stimulate good work.