Living Off The Grid

I too have a dream of a house in the woods off the grid. There have been huge developments in the field one of my favorites is these wind turbines (think wind meter cups) they mount to eaves. Keeps them out of the weather and when wind hits your house it must find a new direction so you get a boost of energy. Storage is the problem still.
 
I like SIPS and was going to use them but they are expensive. Still going to use them for the roof. Currently researching quad glazed glass with R20 rating, pretty cool, they make it now which will let sunlight/energy through but will keep heat in. Our current house is passive solar so has a bunch of south facing doors/windows which allow the sun to heat up our soapstone floor. works really well other than the windows are 30 years old and have very low R value.

Wind energy is cheap compared to solar watt per watt however here the sun shines more than the wind blows and yes storage is the big issue. Somebody needs to start making nickel iron batteries over here (Erik) . I almost pulled the trigger on buying 70 batteries from china and reselling a bunch but couldn't get over the fact that I would be sending more money to china..... It blows my mind that everybody uses lead acid still, junk IMO
 
Yea still shocks me we have yet to make major leaps in battery technology. I have recently seen roofing panels with full solar plug and play.
 
Paul, My buddy imported some top grade triple glazed windows from Canada, timber with bonded aluminium facing. They are the absolute shit, the R value is incredible. Your damn right on the wind vs solar pv thing too. Solar Thermal works way better than Solar PV in term sof usable energy. When I build mine, it will be all SIPS construction, with 2000 ltr thermal store. Have a coil from the solar thermal, and an electric immersion heater running of a small wind turbine.
 
My idea is to make the whole foundation of the house be a 2-3 deep water cistern filled with mainly rock sunk in water and insulated from the ground. In the winter I will have a solar panel run a pump that pumps the water up to basically a big sheet of aluminum painted black (think road sign) water will flow down said sheet and return via gravity to cistern. at night all water will flow back down so no freeze issues. Don't know how warm this will keep said dwelling but I would have a wood fired backup heater. In the summer I would use the same pump and pv panel to circulate water down a well to cool cistern, before 57 degree water hits cistern I would run it through a heat exchanger in the living area with indoor air being blown through it to remove moisture as humidity is a big problem here. I enjoy thinking about such things and am almost a position to be able to start doing it.

Ed what will you store your 2000 litres of water in???
 
Any kind of insulated tank/container will do.
I have a 1500 liter buffr tank for my wood burning furnace.
Just a steel tank that I buildt a box around and had blown full of paper insulation.
 
Paul, I'd use a proper thermal store. Stainless steel with 4 - 6 inches of high density PU foam insulation, twin input and output coils. I understand what your planning Paul, there is a book I have about natural cooling / heating in houses and construction, its the bible on these matters. I'll see if I can get the ISBN number for you. Bear in mind that the better you insulate, the less energy you will need for heating or cooling. One of the things I will have in my house is a heat exchanger system.
 
Yup the payback takes a long time. My whole mindset right now though is I think things might get real tough here in the US in the future so anything you can do to minimize your future living expenses is a good thing. Think of it kinda like this, things aint never going to be this cheap again.....
 
remember B I don't know chit, just a bad feeling. I for one have never been doing so well. Better to be prepared and not need it...
 
How about using the grid for storage? I know that if something catastrophic were to happen you would be messed up, but then you would still have some power. Just not the ability to give and take.
 
Very good point Steve - Extrapolate further, and what most renewable energy engineers are in favour of is a 'smart' grid with lots and lots of renewables, making the chances of grid failure tiny and localised.
 
The idea of living off-grid has intrigued me for years, though I've done very little toward that end as far as housing goes. I think one disadvantage modern man has, is that he plans to continue living in a manner similar to the one he's accustomed to, even if the system/society that has enabled that lifestyle suddenly collapses. Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful thing, self-sufficiency, it's just more far-reaching than most of us can conceive. If/when catastrophe happens, shelter will be only a small part of the picture. Survival will involve long-term food and clothing as well.

I have 20 laying hens at present and two dairy goats. The hens provide a varying number of eggs per day this time of year. The goats are bred and due in the spring, so are not producing at this time. Needless to say, surviving on milk and eggs would be out, if that were all we had. Then there's the matter of feeding the livestock.

I have firewood for heat, and can get one of those skinny buckets to draw water out of the well, so I have those two bases covered. Guess it's a matter of whether I die from starvation or lack of technology...:D
 
My chickens just stopped laying eggs:? We only have 3 laying hens and another 10 that are too young , about 3 months old. We used to get 2-3 eggs a day which just about kept us going but as of a day before xmass we haven't had a single egg... Right now its just an annoyance but if we depended on them for food it would be bad.
 
Do you have any artificial light in the coop? The length of day affects their laying. They say it takes 14 hours of daylight to produce an egg. I have a timer-controlled fluorescent light that I have set to come on at around 2 AM so they have a long day all year. At times I have experimented without the light, and it DOES make a difference. Also it takes enough protein in their diet. I got a good deal on some cracked corn last year, and tried feeding them only corn, albeit lots of it. One day we got only one egg from 21 hens! Started them back on layer pellets, and they picked back up. We have been averaging 8 to 10 a day lately out of 20 hens. I now mix 16% layer pellets/10% sweet feed and they seem to do well with this combination.

What kind are your young hens? Fall hatch hens will start laying earlier than spring hatch because the days will be getting longer when they start laying. Spring hatch hens start in the fall when the days are getting shorter, and so take longer to start.
 
Shorter days, less sunlight. Try putting a light in the henhouse, they'll think it's still summertime and start laying again.
 
I got foxed 2 months ago, got my ducks, hens, cockrel, everything. I'm too busy right now too replace them, but come springtime I'll make a new run and get maybe 20 hens and ducks.
In an ideal scenario, I would keep 4-5 pigs for ham and bacon, a pair of jersey cows, chickens, ducks, geese and maybe some goats. That and a large vegetable garden, huge greenhouse, potato patch.
One day!
 
I haven't lost any to fox yet that I know of (I lost one Barred Rock two years ago, not sure to what), but I have killed several grays since I got my chickens. That's the only one I've lost except two or three that just died.

You drink lots of milk, Ed? Two Jerseys are gonna give a BUNCH of milk! That's why we chose goats. About 1 1/2 quart per day average per goat. We had enough extra for my wife to make some homemade soap as well as some mozzarella cheese.

In an ideal scenario, I'd have the chickens, the goats, the veggie garden, a greenhouse, a root cellar, a storm/fallout shelter.....and three or four sniper hides to guard it all.:D
 
Trouble with goat milk is it tastes like the goat pissed in the milk. I like goats cheese and butter, but not the milk. One of the reasons for 2 cows is that milk is a good trade-able commodity. And as much as we fantasize about being completely self sufficient, its small village sized communities that stand the greatest chance of surviving a breakdown of society.
 
Trouble with goat milk is it tastes like the goat pissed in the milk. I like goats cheese and butter, but not the milk. One of the reasons for 2 cows is that milk is a good trade-able commodity. And as much as we fantasize about being completely self sufficient, its small village sized communities that stand the greatest chance of surviving a breakdown of society.

I hear you on the trade-ability of milk. Splendid thinking. As to goats' milk, how many times have you tried it? And do you know the circumstances surrounding its production? If you have a buck present with the does, the milk can have a bad taste/smell, but as long as there is no buck on site, the milk should taste fine. My wife last year did some taste-testing with some folks. One person picked the store-bought (cow) milk for the goat's milk. We had a friend's buck for a couple of months last year, and during that time, I could taste a "wang" to the milk, but it wasn't too bad. For this reason, we take our does to another owner for breeding. It got to where I could smell that buck all the way to the house, and they were kept 100 yards away in the barn. I compare the goats to deer. I've cleaned dozens of does and dozens of bucks. I can tell the gender by the smell unless it's early on in the season. Goats are the same way....the does have no smell at all compared to the bucks.

Another trick to good-tasting goat milk is to cool it ASAP. We pour it from the pail into a jar and either put it in the freezer for an hour, or pour it into a glass jar and place that into a larger bowl full of ice. Goat milk has hyper-active enzymes that will cause it to spoil more quickly than cows' milk. Still, for the maintenance of goats, as well as the near-perfect amount they yield, I prefer them to cows. I would raise a young one for butchering, but my wife and daughters wouldn't hear of it. :/:Our Nubian had triplets last year. We had her and the Alpine bred this year. Hoping for at least four kids between the two of them.

True self-sufficiency, is as you say, is a fantasy. One might survive, but that is all they would do. Still, every step taken is a help if/when catastrophe strikes.
 
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