TreeStuff - APTA - Wow!

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Nick or benhughey,

What throwbags and throwline are recommended for use with the APTA?

I need to get a 16 oz and two 14 oz.

I want bags that are smoothish vinyl type, not canvas/cloth that is porous and gathers dirt/mud.

Also some good throw line.
 
We dont sell vinyl type bags. The only ones I can think of are the wesspur ones. They are super tough but the odd square shape wont work well with the APTA is my guess. I know Paul Cox has some, maybe he can weigh in?

I have had great luck with Harrison Rockets or the cheaper knockoffs the Weaver Deluxe Bags.
 
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We dont sell vinyl type bags. The only ones I can think of are the wesspur ones. They are super tough but the odd square shape wont work well with the APTA is my guess. I know Paul Cox has some, maybe he can weigh in?

I have had great luck with Harrison Rockets or the cheaper knockoffs the Weaver Deluxe Bags.

Does that mean the Weaver D series or the Weaver Premium...didn't see a Weaver "Deluxe" on the site.
 
In the video, I would have liked to see how fast you have to open the ball valve. Do you open it all the way? What kind of recoil does it have if you hold it on your hip? Is this device more accurate than the big shot?
 
No recoil that I've felt. You do need to open the valve as quickly as possible. This is about the only accuracy compromising part. I am more accurate with this than the big shot.
 
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Husabud said it all...no recoil, be quick with valve, more accurate than my homemade Big Shot.
 
So would you say a better trigger "release" would be the most needed improvement?

The handle on the most recent version makes a big difference with keeping on target when opening the valve... Its like the told us in the Marine Corps. Trigger control, trigger control, trigger control.
 
Adding a spring assist to the ball valve for a trigger release would be easy enough to do but I'm not sure it would make much difference. You still will need to practice in order to hit the mark and with practice the valve is easy to get used to. So really, all you will gain is complexity. As it is, the APTA is far more accurate and consistent than the big-shot. It also will reach heights the big shot can only dream of.
 
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I have been focusing on how to stabilize the APTA while releasing (pulling the valve). Using each hand to counter the other's force stabilizes the tube as the bag travels down the barrel.

It starts to become a muscle memory thing as you practice it and accuracy really dials in. I am thinking of mounting a cheap laser to the barrel to help learn where the point of aim is in relationship to where the bag actually goes...for a very high shot for a high rigging point we needed this weekend I had a newbie groundie shooting the APTA while I got positioned in the tree to be removed (belay point was about 70 feet up in a nearby oak)...he probably made 15 shots, many within a foot or so of each other..but there were 5-6 limbs in a 6 foot diameter area he needed to penetrate and he couldn't quite get it. I think with a laser as a reference point for his aim he could have threaded that little needle at 70 feet. His target window was about 2 foot square.

That rigging point would have shaved probably at least an hour off the job...had to fishpole and negative block the tree instead, moving the block down with each cut. That ideal rigging point would have allowed us to swing big limbs and pieces away from the house and dropped them into an LZ in the woods where we had to drag stuff.

That planned 3 hour job took four hours. Then we went to the next job...a very dead oak...I had thought I would climb to about twenty feet and cut the weight off the road side of the tree, a big sweeping lead. We used the APTA to set a line in the offending side lead and pulled that lead out with the truck. We ended up taking the tree apart with the APTA, bull line and truck...no climbing!! We broke the big limbs and leads off so I could feel the spar without hitting the nearby power lines. And breaking it apart like that kept most of the mess in the woods so our cleanup was much quicker.

I quoted $300 to drop the tree and leave it cut up for the HO to clean up (actually her kids and grandkids. all grownups -- she didn't want to pay us to do a total cleanup. I had planned to fell the tree mostly whole and it would have been a mess on the grass.)

As it worked out, we went ahead and cleaned up the little bit that did get on the grass...and she pitched in a $100 tip...woohoo!
 

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Yep...my newbie helper thought so, too. He had offered to help us that day so he could get some experience in tree-work. He is considering getting into tree-work and landscaping. He offered to help all day at no charge for the experience...as it was I paid him the $100 tip so he was pretty surprised. He's a good fellow, friend of my son's from back in grammar school and high school...excellent soccer player, good rock climber (already has good climbing skills and confidence, good knot knowledge).

He has had a few rough turns in the road, starting to get his act back together now. Pretty young wife, 3 year old boy, 3 month old girl, working hard at a warehouse, he wants to find a way to be his own boss. A very smart young man that has a lot of potential.

He watched Alex run the portawrap a few times on the morning maple and then he tried it with a pretty good sized piece. I got bucked around a bit but not thrown so I called it a success. He is a quick learner and smart.

When I was explaining how when you rig out a whole limb and tie the belay line out near the halfway point you have to be careful that the tip weight does not cause the butt to lift into your face when making the cut at the trunk or kick back into you, etc....he said, "oh, you mean the moment arm."

hahaha...what are you gonna do with these young whipper snappers???:lol:
 
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I put my TreeStuff order together Monday for throwbags, line and other goodies. Nick and his cronies must have jumped on it because it was late afternoon when I ordered.

I just got home, midnight, Wednesday and found the order already here!! I'll be able to do some good APTA shooting now with proper throwbags and some new line...AND an APTA handle. I am looking forward to trying out that addition. And I got a special file for sharpening my Sugoi...plus some biners, hitch cord, specs. (and thanks for the bonus, too)

New gear is wonderful.

Thanks, Luke, Nick, BenHughey. With TreeStuff I feel like I have a friend(s) in the Tree Business.
 

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I thought the Sugoi was impulse hardened, meaning NOT meant for sharpening. I had mine sharpened by an expert several years ago and it was great for a short time, then went dull quickly. The replacement blades held their edge much longer. Has something changed?
 
That's what I've always found when I file a handsaw. It gets sharp, but not for long. I just buy a new blade nowadays and save the old for when I need to fabricate an awesome zombie slaying weapon.

TreeStuff rawks!!!
 
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Nick,

The APTA came through big time today. I got a call this AM from a nurse...their cat had been in a tree for 13 days...two big rain storms in that time and I guess that kept it alive.

She asked what I charged for a rescue and I told her..."out of her budget" and I was going to end the call. Then somehow we started talking what had been tried so far to get the cat down...a nearby treeclimber had spurred up the 90 foot poplar, got to the cat at 70 feet, went to grab it and the cat went higher...higher than the climber could (or would) spur...it sounded like she said he took his spurs off and then climbed up some limbs after that until he was scared to go further.

I queried the daughter about that scenario later (she helped me do the rescue...yeah....somehow I ended up going) and she said he did not carry up a climbing rope...she asked him how he was going to get the cat down and he said he would stuff it in his harness and climb down...:O...:lol: Gawd, I would have LOVED to see that.

Anyway, I think the lady paid him $100 for trying. They had another guy come by and his plan was to drop the tree with the cat in it...a 90 foot tree...he said he could only give the cat about a 50 per cent chance of surviving...that boy is an optimist!! She paid him $40 for gas money to give her his opinion.

Oh...a friend of hers is a firefighter...he said they are not allowed to do cat rescues but they took the fire truck by anyway to look it over...they said, "No way."

So I guess my curiosity (or is it ego?) got the best of me...I told her I would try to get by to look at the situation if I had time today. I got the important stuff done (swimming with the grandson:) ) and then headed to the site.

Before I actually saw the tree, I thought it might be a skinny 30 footer or so...especially if someone was considering felling the tree with the cat in it. In that case I might have just lowered the tree off a block and the cat would have had a good chance. but it was a 90 footer...on TOP of a 10 foot dirt cliff. Terrible access to the base of the tree...super dense growth.

It was going to be a very bad climb...cat at the top of the tree and in the best crotch for a TIP. Very hot today, high humidity, I was pouring sweat just setting things up. I put a tarp at the base of the tree on the open side in case the cat pooped out and fell from exhaustion and was counting on the thick underbrush to cushion a fall to the woodward side.

And then along came John (remember the song?)...except this time along came APTA. My first shot went over the tree too far out to the left...trying not to hit the cat...it was about 15 feet left of the cat. Second shot I put on my new TreeStuff throwline (200 feet I thnk) and got about six feet from the cat and 6 feet above it...Lil Bit did not like this too much.

And when I pulled the new (TreeStuff) neon green bag back up to the supporting limb and the bag rocked over toward Lil Bit...well Lil Bit got plumb feisty and proved she still had some energy left...she caterwauled some and started backing down the tree...:D I was starting to get happy at this point. Long story short...I chased the cat down the tree with the throw bag. Whenever the cat would stop and think about going back up I would pull the bag up, get it rocking and then drop it towards the cat. It took about 5 minutes to get the cat to climb down the tree...which means I never left the ground!! Two hours on site and never touched the cat...that's the best kind of rescue.

:D...yep that's me still smiling.
 

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Thanks...sometimes things just work out...it had all the makings of a horrendous mess. I learned a new technique, thank goodness.
 
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