pete mctree
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We have one. On the right job, it's priceless. The size of timber & volume of brash moved with relative ease is quite impressive
Stein Arbor-Trolley
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HolmenTree
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I always keep the dolly handy on my chipper dump trailer inside the powerbarrow as the picture shows.
Moving heavy rounds to the curb is where the dolly shines on level or downhill ground of course. But for loading and carting brush the 27" wide 285 lb Muck Truck 4X4 does all the work whether the ground is level or 35% grade uphill. I install four 2ft long 3/4" stakes inside the 1" orange ones and haul one big load.
Now to get back to that dream of the Gehl 340 with knuckleboom, just gonna have to build another dump trailer to haul it around.....................
mistahbenn
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This is pretty much what happened... I agree, fabbing one up for yourself 'along the same lines' as another is fine, just making a copy for sale for profit is theft.
Now, Anybody want to make me one????
GrappleYarder
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I'm the Buzz guy and I guess I learned a little lesson in online community. No inside info here just used the few online photos available, draw up some rough dimensions and bubble gum away. I do weekend gigs with my son so it was just a fun project in my spare time that would be useful to us.
I posted on the Buzz in the spirit of look at this but look at the real deal too that is much higher quality and a great tool. I know how long it took me to figure out, fabricate, plus materials and most just don't have the spare time or interest for that. Buy the Trolley its worth it.
Unfortunately I forwarded some of my work to someone who I don't know and who I assumed would quietly use my bit of effort for their own benefit. My bad, didn't ask him to keep it for his own use or listen to my gut that said not to pass it along at all. Lesson learned. Great respect for Reg and all the work and creativity he has put in to this and various other devices. Hopefully the thread generates a few more sales...
Michael
bonner1040
Nick from Ohio
Mike, Ben, Adrian...
First off, I didnt mean to cause an episode here. I saw a post with pictures of a homemade arbor trolley over at the Buzz in a thread about making your own gear. I PM'd one of the posters asking for dimensions and he sent me some drawings. Definitely not stolen plans or any industrial espionage happenings. Honestly, my friend said he would help me weld it together, the drawings I got, they are definitely nicely drafted and a bit beyond my comprehension.
After receiving the I posted here, as I like it more here and just pop in at the Buzz, asking what you all guys thought.
I never had any intention of stealing anyones design and distributing it for profit or in any other way.
When asked about sharing the plans I figured, hey it was passed willingly to me, so pay it forward right?
Im not against spending good money on quality tools, quite the opposite actually. I am however thrifty when the opportunity presents itself, and to those that know me a tinkerer at heart. If I have the ability to try and make something that I see for sale somewhere I am likely going to try, often costing me more actually after trial and error.
If I can go out, have some beers with a friend, pickup some bulk steel and learn a bit about welding, I am going to. If that means I come out of it with a log cart or a new iteration of the APTA than thats what it is.
Cheers to Reg for all his innovations, being an world class arborist, a world known specialist with big tight quartered removals and, as far as I am concerned a stand up guy. I still dont see it as stealing or doing him any wrong by imitating his design, its just two tires some steel and a torch guys.
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Oh and Mike - I have been meaning to send you an email thanking you for taking the time to write me such a nice email but I was pretty busy with everything else. Also I really havent looked at the plans in detail yet and wanted to save an email for the questions I thought I would likely have.
-Nick
First off, I didnt mean to cause an episode here. I saw a post with pictures of a homemade arbor trolley over at the Buzz in a thread about making your own gear. I PM'd one of the posters asking for dimensions and he sent me some drawings. Definitely not stolen plans or any industrial espionage happenings. Honestly, my friend said he would help me weld it together, the drawings I got, they are definitely nicely drafted and a bit beyond my comprehension.
After receiving the I posted here, as I like it more here and just pop in at the Buzz, asking what you all guys thought.
I never had any intention of stealing anyones design and distributing it for profit or in any other way.
When asked about sharing the plans I figured, hey it was passed willingly to me, so pay it forward right?
Im not against spending good money on quality tools, quite the opposite actually. I am however thrifty when the opportunity presents itself, and to those that know me a tinkerer at heart. If I have the ability to try and make something that I see for sale somewhere I am likely going to try, often costing me more actually after trial and error.
If I can go out, have some beers with a friend, pickup some bulk steel and learn a bit about welding, I am going to. If that means I come out of it with a log cart or a new iteration of the APTA than thats what it is.
Cheers to Reg for all his innovations, being an world class arborist, a world known specialist with big tight quartered removals and, as far as I am concerned a stand up guy. I still dont see it as stealing or doing him any wrong by imitating his design, its just two tires some steel and a torch guys.
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Oh and Mike - I have been meaning to send you an email thanking you for taking the time to write me such a nice email but I was pretty busy with everything else. Also I really havent looked at the plans in detail yet and wanted to save an email for the questions I thought I would likely have.
-Nick
Adam_P
TreeHouse WebMaster
bonner you thief!
I didn't buy welders so I could make pretty metal sculptures. I've made tons of stuff over the years based on something I saw on the internet.. never felt bad about it either.
I'm sure the fit and finish on the stein model is much better than anything that would come out of my garage. Things like axle placement and tongue height have been no doubt dialed in to make that one the bentley of carts. Someone should buy that one if they want the best. Otherwise I think it's sweet that people would learn to weld and try making one on their own. Who knows what good could come out of it... maybe some innovations that could be applied to the next gen stein one. A lot of innovation happens by accident.
I'll probably build a light duty one myself. Maybe right after I build the log arch I've been saying I'd get started on about a year ago...
I didn't buy welders so I could make pretty metal sculptures. I've made tons of stuff over the years based on something I saw on the internet.. never felt bad about it either.
I'm sure the fit and finish on the stein model is much better than anything that would come out of my garage. Things like axle placement and tongue height have been no doubt dialed in to make that one the bentley of carts. Someone should buy that one if they want the best. Otherwise I think it's sweet that people would learn to weld and try making one on their own. Who knows what good could come out of it... maybe some innovations that could be applied to the next gen stein one. A lot of innovation happens by accident.
I'll probably build a light duty one myself. Maybe right after I build the log arch I've been saying I'd get started on about a year ago...
chris_girard
Treehouser
Absolutely, as long as you don't try and sell them if there's a patent on it, like there is on Reg's Arbor Trolley.
I actually have the first Arbor Trolley that was sold in the US by Stein last year. I can't say enough great things about it either. I highly recommend it to everyone.
Oldmilltreecare
TreeHouser
I bought a Stein trolley a few months ago and instantly cursed myself for not buying one when they first came out. It makes every job so so so much easier and boosts production. Also you don't need to rake and blow across an entire garden at the end of the day. My groundie's are much happier and it's really versatile.
I don't know what the retail cost is in the US but here in the UK if I keep it for ten years it works out at £40 per year. Bargain!!
I don't know what the retail cost is in the US but here in the UK if I keep it for ten years it works out at £40 per year. Bargain!!
Ian Flatters
TreeHouser
I used one the other day, kind of thinking about buying one now, firstly when i moved it empty i thought the weight was all off. But once loaded it was really good for moving brash about. Might get it after the GRCS tho....
Oldmilltreecare
TreeHouser
Mate, get the trolley first. I bought a Stein Dual bollard first, its a superb piece of kit but doesn't come out that often. The trolley comes out most days and makes me money every time.
The trolley will make the profit to buy a GRCS. Better still, get a Stein Dual and spend the difference on beer and pay-per-view movies!
chris_girard
Treehouser
I have a GRCS and Stein Trolly and love them both!
bonner1040
Nick from Ohio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK0gA2nM6BA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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MasterBlaster
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I like seeing it move logs better than brush, but still - I dunno. How does it do on other than flat, concrete ground?
bonner1040
Nick from Ohio
Yet to see boss! But a 10 year old could have moved those logs once loaded.
MasterBlaster
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I guess my main beef is packing it around. I can definitely see it being useful at a dedicated job site.
kevin bingham
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I use mine pretty much every day, every job. Can't think of a job where it wouldnt be usefull. I welded some mounts on my chipper so it stows real nice and doesn't take up extra space. If I don't need it then it can stay on the chipper while the chipper is running. I have hauled a big stack of brush, an entire small crab tree, up a flight of stairs.
MasterBlaster
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Damn! That sounds great!
kevin bingham
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I don't have a mini but wish I did. However I can't believe the trolley would not be very usefull even if you did have a mini.
ClimbMIT
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bonner1040
Nick from Ohio
I used the heck out of my trolley today. We had a full day of removals at a Lubrizol Plant (no photos/video allowed on campus). We flopped an oak tree and after limbing it, cut the majority of the stem right onto the trolley after taking the handles off. My calcs on the GLWC put it right around 1000 lbs. I was on a slight right to left grade (compared to the trolley) and the weight of the log rolled the downhill tire, it smushed up something awfull and looked ruined for sure. I grabbed the chipper winch cable, ran it to the log, via some tree-directs and gave her a pull. The tire popped right up, no problem good as new.
I used it to stack small logs, move 12' monsters, brush, everything. I feel like I am just echoing earlier sentiment, but comparing it to a ball cart (or worse a wheel barrel) and it makes you feel dumb for not getting it sooner. Moving logs becomes really as simple as tipping it on, and then just walking.
On top of all that I realized it fits in the feed tray of our chipper, so its now going to every single job.
After work my buddy and I went and put down a $$$ side job, that we would have had to walk away from without some kind of cart or mechanical means to move the logs. The Arbor Trolley made us an extra $300 easy. We couldnt have done the job without it, and with it I moved a huge pile of logs all the way across the yard no problem. (we could have done it obviously, but wouldnt have I guess is more accurate)
Here is just some of the wood, a lot of the smaller logs went with the brush in the woods.
I used it to stack small logs, move 12' monsters, brush, everything. I feel like I am just echoing earlier sentiment, but comparing it to a ball cart (or worse a wheel barrel) and it makes you feel dumb for not getting it sooner. Moving logs becomes really as simple as tipping it on, and then just walking.
On top of all that I realized it fits in the feed tray of our chipper, so its now going to every single job.
After work my buddy and I went and put down a $$$ side job, that we would have had to walk away from without some kind of cart or mechanical means to move the logs. The Arbor Trolley made us an extra $300 easy. We couldnt have done the job without it, and with it I moved a huge pile of logs all the way across the yard no problem. (we could have done it obviously, but wouldnt have I guess is more accurate)
Here is just some of the wood, a lot of the smaller logs went with the brush in the woods.
bonner1040
Nick from Ohio
I was a little leary of dropping it onto the trolley, so after limbing it we had it sitting on the stump and one limb speared into the grass all the way at the end. Craig just made a bunch of small relief cuts until it kind of kneeled onto the trolley then we sliced out the hinge wood and it just plopped down.
Once we got some of the bigger 10'+ logs to the chipper we just used the winch cable to draw em up and slid the cart out. It may not be a mini but its a big step up!
Once we got some of the bigger 10'+ logs to the chipper we just used the winch cable to draw em up and slid the cart out. It may not be a mini but its a big step up!
MasterBlaster
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How much does the trolley cost?
bonner1040
Nick from Ohio
It is $700 ($665 after ARBORIST discount code), compared to a standard log dolly from Sherrill at $440
Note in the pictures how the load is held on the log dolly, all the weight is leaning back on the operator. We have 2 of the nursery-ball style dollies at Big Green, there really isn't a comparison in terms of effort required to move the same log.
Also on a ball cart you are limited in terms of length with the material you can move. The AT moves 12'+ logs with ease by simply removing the handle. The Sherrill dolly weighs 120lbs, I can lift the AT with one hand (awkwardly of course, but it is easily handled overhead two handed)
For an extra $220 I dont see any point in even considering not getting the AT. I am planning on doing a full comparison video.
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=2293
http://www.sherrilltree.com/Professional-Gear/Log-Movers/Log-Dolly-868
