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The 11mm static line I have has 1.8% at 300lb and 3.0% at 600lb with 6700 lb MBS.


What rope is that? Sterling HTP...?


That's a fairly stretchy static, but there's the problem with comparisons...some other rope may have a lower % number, but be tested at 200 lbs.

Sterling HTP is the lowest stretch static I know of, at 0.63% stretch loaded at 540 lbs. It's my fav SRT ascent line...only weighs 5.3 lbs. per 100'.

I think I recall someone posting about climbing DbRT on Snakebite (Sterling htp)...I hope I misunderstood...:\:.
 
That's a fairly stretchy static, but there's the problem with comparisons...some other rope may have a lower % number, but be tested at 200 lbs.

Sterling HTP is the lowest stretch static I know of, at 0.63% stretch loaded at 540 lbs. It's my fav SRT ascent line...only weighs 5.3 lbs. per 100'.

I think I recall someone posting about climbing DbRT on Snakebite (Sterling htp)...I hope I misunderstood...:\:.

Where did you get those figures? According to their website, the 11mm HTP has 1.7% at 300 lbs.
http://www.sterlingrope.com/climbing_products3.asp?pmid=8

And here it says 2.9 at 300 lb.http://www.sterlingrope.com/supportingdocs/2008_climbing_cat_technicalspecs.pdf
 
I'm talking about 10mm Sterling HTP, aka Snakebite, as marketed and elongation tested by Tobe Sherrill. The numbers come from the catalog, rope comparison chart.

That first link's text says "less than 1% stretch per 300 pound load".

This 100% all-polyester rope is another example of Sterling vision and innovation. HTP™ Static offers climbers, cavers, and other recreational enthusiasts significant advantages over using standard nylon static ropes in certain recreation situations. Activities such as hauling, jumaring, and rappelling are more efficient with a low elongation rope. HTP, with its less than 1% stretch per 300-pound load, makes these activities far more time and effort efficient. HTP provides better UV resistance, which is critical for glacier travel, expeditions, and big walls where ropes are exposed to ultra-violet light (UV), for long periods of time. Lastly, it retains its suppleness and smooth handling far longer than traditional static ropes, even after repeated use. Since HTP Static is a naturally dry product, your ropes will always stay dry. This maintains performance, strength, and elongation characteristics. Sterling's 5/16" and 3/8" provide high strength and low stretch, ideal for lightweight fixing and hauling/tag lines. The 7/16" larger diameter is better suited for climbing situations where there will be excessive amounts of heavy jumaring, hauling, and high exposure to sharp rock. HTP Static is also available in 1/2" and 5/8". However because of their size and extra weight, they are better suited for tower construction, short haul helicopter rescue, high angle technical rescue, and industrial safety applications.

Warning: HTP should never be used in situations where any potential for shock-loading (such as a fall) may occur. It will result in very high impact forces. In these situations, a nylon static or dynamic rope would be more appropriate.

View color options for HTP Static ropes.

View the technical specs for HTP™ Static.

Technical Specs for HTP Static: All Polyester Static Rope
Diameters: mm 9mm 10mm 11mm 13mm 16mm
Diameters: inches 5/16" 3/8" 7/16" 1/2" 5/8"
mbs: lb 5058 5981 7667 9084 11,962
mbs: kN 22.5 kN 26.6 kN 34.1 kN 40.4 kN 53.2 kN
Weight (lb/100’) 4.2 5.3 6.5 8 12.5
Elongation (at 10% of MBS) 2.5% 1.7% 2.9% 2.0% 1.8%
Elongation (at 300 lbs.) 1.30% 1.0% 1.7% 0.8% 0.9%
Swl(10:1) 504 lbs 598 lbs 767 lbs 908 lbs 1196 lbs
NFPA: 1983,2006 no yes yes yes yes

Well, I reckon they must be refering to the larger diameters.

More confusion over testing methods, I suppose.
 
Yeah, there's a guy in Baltimore who climbs on snakebite exclusively. I climbed with him a few times, and he'll uses a blakes split-tail of 10mm beeline. He's a really good climber, probably in his mid-late 40's, and he swears up and down that he will never go back to climbing on dynamic lines.

I just asked if it were HTP because I have it and like it. I can never remember what all the numbers are, but I know I like it! :D
 
Is it better to use 16, 32, or 48 carrier construction? I have read that the 16 is much more abrasion resistant, like the PMI rope. Sterling uses 48 carrier.

Check out page 4 of this catalog.
 
PMI is the only static rope I have ever tried. I like it, But I still want to feel the HTP like Snakebite.
 
Thank you, Burnham.
That was some great info and most of it completely new to me.
It comes at just the right time too, since I'm in the process of upgrading my SRT gear after having bought a Petzl Sequoia with the Croll attachment.
 
Yeah, there's a guy in Baltimore who climbs on snakebite exclusively. I climbed with him a few times, and he'll uses a blakes split-tail of 10mm beeline. He's a really good climber, probably in his mid-late 40's, and he swears up and down that he will never go back to climbing on dynamic lines.

I just asked if it were HTP because I have it and like it. I can never remember what all the numbers are, but I know I like it! :D

Of course the problem with climbing DbRT on Snakebite is the complete unforgivness of shock to your body and all components of your climbing system, as well as your tie in point, should you take a fall on it.

I don't believe Sterling is marketing HTP as an arborist climbing line, but rather as a SRT ascent line.

No offense to the Baltimore climber, but just because a good climber decides to do something with a certain piece of climbing gear doesn't necessarily make it a good idea.
 
For the record... I do not recommend work climbing DbRT on snakebite.

The dude in B-more was a little out there as well. He doesn't work in the trees much any more, and he runs a recreational tree climbing school up there.

...I think I posted a vid of him a while ago. Here it is...

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Hey guys, thanks for all the tips and pics. I finally settled on Sherrill's Tree Frog system, but called and had them substitute a double-handled ascender like Burnham's. I love it!!! Beats body-thrusting hands down. By the way, I didn't know that the ascenders (Handled, croll and foot) had such aggressive teeth. I assumed they were ridged like my micro-grabs. Do the teeth cause premature rope wear, or because they don't generally slip, are they somewhat harmless to the life or the rope? (I'm sure there's some wear, just don't know how much). I was thinking of using the same rope for SRT and then change over to DRT with friction hitch at the top, but am now wondering if I would be better off having a dedicated SRT line and pull up my work line when I pull up my saw etc. Is there any SRT line that is more "durable" than the others?
 
Most SRT lines-in the sense of static line designed fro caving and rescue ops- are very durable. The teeth on the cams don't generate much wear-they aren't actually sharp in the sense of having cutting edges (They will shear through ropes if heavily shock loaded but so will ridged cams.) Ascent devices simply are not intended for heavy shock loads- they are to facilitate moving modest weights with minimal shock and do so admirably.
New England Ropes KMIII is classic and ubiquitious static line. The Sterling ropes mentioned earlier in the thread have an excellent reputation. Another New England static line that is not so well known is Static Pro. It has a polyester cover like KMIII but the core is also 100% poyester rather than the nylon core of KMIII. The all polyester construction is slightly less strong in absolute tensile strength than the polyester/nylon but it is extremly low in stretch making it a marvelous ascent line. For some reason NE doesn't promote it much except to fire depts/rescue personell.
 
IMHO, the most durable SRT line on the market is PMI. But it is probably one of the stiffest too. Like I said in another post, I have not had the opportunity to use other static lines. My opinion is based on abrasion tests I have read about and word of mouth in the caving world. This is the prefered rope for caving because of it's superior durability. Check out page 4 of their catalog.

Here's a link to their website http://pmirope.com/
 
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