New Climbing Line

[SkwerI]

No, Greg. You're not right but we'll allow you to be wrong.

 

[OTGBOSTON]

Did I mention I DO have a 120' of bluestreak in my garage?????

 

[SkwerI]

OK, and I have 150' of Fly in my shop as well. I'll find something to do with it one day.

 

[RIVERRAT]

Have you tried Tubb's brand 3 strand twisted manila. The best in its day.

I remember the little slivers that rope put in my hands & wrist. Though it may have been another brand.

There was better rope out at that time. But the fellas I started with would have nothing to do with it. I remember them unfolding the the twist in that old line to check for mold,rot or what ever.......

& to HELL WITH THAT SKINNY ASS ROPE for every day tree work!!

 

[brendonv]

I hated the skinny stuff when I first played with it. Nothing but it nowadays.

 

[Bounce]

I use a piece of 3/8" static kernmantle when I'm working by myself and don't have much space to toss branches into. I haul all the rope in bag dangling from a saw lanyard so no branches can land on it and get me stuck. The lighter weight is nice, but it is unnerving to look at. It also tends to incise pretty deeply into the bark and gets real pitchy fast unless I use a friction saver with it.

 

[Altissimus]

Here is where I'm at... I use the reduced diameter almost all the time with hardware... yet I still miss the handling of my Blue Streak w/High Vee split tail...especially working my down or across a large spreader...

 

[treesandsurf]

Use the skinny ropes for a few weeks and then switch back to the 1/2" and you'll realize the weight difference quick. Velocity all the way.

Oh and by the way RD... your pa has all these:

* Arboriculture: Integrated Management of Landscape Trees, Shrubs, and Vines, 4th edition (Harris et al. ) - the standard text for introductory arboriculture, and the primary reference for working arborists.
* ANSI A300 standards for tree care operations (TCIA, all parts) - industry standards.
* ANSI Z133.1 standard for tree care operations (ISA) - industry standards.
* ANSI Z60 standard for nursery stock (ANLA) - industry standards.
* Best Management Practices (ISA, all topics)
* Plant Health Care for Woody Ornamentals (Lloyd et al.)
* Abiotic Disorders of Landscape Plants—A Diagnostic Guide (Costello et al.)
* Trees and Development: A Technical Guide to Preservation of Trees During Land Development (Matheny and Clark)
* Manual of Woody Landscape Plants (Dirr)
* An Illustrated Guide to Pruning, 2nd edition (Gilman)
* Principles and Practice of Planting Trees and Shrubs (Watson and Himelick)
* Arborists’ Certification Study Guide (Lilly)
* Plant Physiology (Kozlowski)
* Urban Soils: Applications and Practices (Craul)
* A New Tree Biology (Shigo) - the classic text by the man widely considered the father of modern arboriculture, Alex Shigo.
* The Landscape Below Ground; Parts I and II (Neely and Watson)
* Arboriculture and the Law (Merullo)
* Trees and Building Sites Conference Proceedings (Watson and Neely)
* The Art and Science of Practical Rigging (Donzelli et al.)
* A Photographic Guide to the Evaluation of Hazard Trees in Urban Areas (Matheny and Clark)
* Diseases of Trees and Shrubs (Sinclair et al.)
* Evaluating Tree Defects (Hayes)
* Guide for Plant Appraisal, 9th edition (CTLA)
* Insects That Feed on Trees and Shrubs (Johnson et al.)
* Tree Structure and Mechanics Conference Proceedings: How Trees Stand Up and Fall Down (Smiley et al.)
* Journal of Arboriculture
* Pesticide information: www.greenbook.net and www.pesticideinfo.org
* Urban Forestry: Planning and Managing Urban Greenspaces (Robert Miller)
* Natural Disaster Damage to vegetation

Other significant study materials and references for arborists include:

* USDA Soil Surveys
* Soil Science (Hausenbuiller)
* Urban Soil in Landscape Design (Craul)
* Built Environment (Bartuska)
* Design with Nature (McHarg)
* Principles and Applications of Soil Microbiology (Sylvia et al.)
* The Biology of Symbiotic Fungi (Cooke)
* Mycology - Plant Pathology Internet Guide Book (Kraska)
* Forest Entomology: Ecology and Management (Coulson & Witter)
* Plants of the Pacific Northwest (Pojar), or similar local reference
* Trees of Seattle (Jacobson), or similar local reference
* Natural Vegetation of Oregon and Washington (Franklin), or similar local reference
* The Use and Significance of Pesticides in the Environment (McEwen)
* The Body Language of Trees (Mattheck)
* Trees (Coombes)
* Wild Neighbors: The Humane Approach to Living with Wildlife (HSUS)
* IPM World Textbook (Radcliff, online)[10]


jp

 

[OTGBOSTON]

OK, and I have 150' of Fly in my shop as well. I'll find something to do with it one day.

cut it up and use it for tie downs, clotheslines, etc. Fly was a weak first attempt by N.E.Ropes, IMHO....

 

[Bounce]

I got to meet the guy who designed the Fly for New England. He said it was intended for use in the ropes course industry, not tree service. He told me the idea was to make a spliceable kernamantle so the college students working as ropes course facilitators at children's summer camps wouldn't have to tie knots. He was surprised when New England started marketing it to the tree service industry because he knew it would not have as good abrasion resistance or "hand" as the lines we were used to. Wierd, huh?

 

[darkstar]

I use a piece of 3/8" static kernmantle when I'm working by myself and don't have much space to toss branches into. I haul all the rope in bag dangling from a saw lanyard so no branches can land on it and get me stuck. The lighter weight is nice, but it is unnerving to look at. It also tends to incise pretty deeply into the bark and gets real pitchy fast unless I use a friction saver with it.

I always used to bunch up my rope as well below me .
Once a big limb snagged my climbing line . It didnt hurt me at all but nearly pulled my tie in point off really scary.

 

[OTGBOSTON]

Not really a suprise Sean. I have actually seen the fly used more on sail boats than tree jobs around here.

I think they just rushed something to market when velocity first came out.

Tachyon is a much better climbing line, IMO. And of course, its made in New England, so it has to be good

 

[rangerdanger]

Use the skinny ropes for a few weeks and then switch back to the 1/2" and you'll realize the weight difference quick. Velocity all the way.

Oh and by the way RD... your pa has all these:

* Arboriculture: Integrated Management of Landscape Trees, Shrubs, and Vines, 4th edition (Harris et al. ) - the standard text for introductory arboriculture, and the primary reference for working arborists.
* ANSI A300 standards for tree care operations (TCIA, all parts) - industry standards.
* ANSI Z133.1 standard for tree care operations (ISA) - industry standards.
* ANSI Z60 standard for nursery stock (ANLA) - industry standards.
* Best Management Practices (ISA, all topics)
* Plant Health Care for Woody Ornamentals (Lloyd et al.)
* Abiotic Disorders of Landscape Plants—A Diagnostic Guide (Costello et al.)
* Trees and Development: A Technical Guide to Preservation of Trees During Land Development (Matheny and Clark)
* Manual of Woody Landscape Plants (Dirr)
* An Illustrated Guide to Pruning, 2nd edition (Gilman)
* Principles and Practice of Planting Trees and Shrubs (Watson and Himelick)
* Arborists’ Certification Study Guide (Lilly)
* Plant Physiology (Kozlowski)
* Urban Soils: Applications and Practices (Craul)
* A New Tree Biology (Shigo) - the classic text by the man widely considered the father of modern arboriculture, Alex Shigo.
* The Landscape Below Ground; Parts I and II (Neely and Watson)
* Arboriculture and the Law (Merullo)
* Trees and Building Sites Conference Proceedings (Watson and Neely)
* The Art and Science of Practical Rigging (Donzelli et al.)
* A Photographic Guide to the Evaluation of Hazard Trees in Urban Areas (Matheny and Clark)
* Diseases of Trees and Shrubs (Sinclair et al.)
* Evaluating Tree Defects (Hayes)
* Guide for Plant Appraisal, 9th edition (CTLA)
* Insects That Feed on Trees and Shrubs (Johnson et al.)
* Tree Structure and Mechanics Conference Proceedings: How Trees Stand Up and Fall Down (Smiley et al.)
* Journal of Arboriculture
* Pesticide information: www.greenbook.net and www.pesticideinfo.org
* Urban Forestry: Planning and Managing Urban Greenspaces (Robert Miller)
* Natural Disaster Damage to vegetation

Other significant study materials and references for arborists include:

* USDA Soil Surveys
* Soil Science (Hausenbuiller)
* Urban Soil in Landscape Design (Craul)
* Built Environment (Bartuska)
* Design with Nature (McHarg)
* Principles and Applications of Soil Microbiology (Sylvia et al.)
* The Biology of Symbiotic Fungi (Cooke)
* Mycology - Plant Pathology Internet Guide Book (Kraska)
* Forest Entomology: Ecology and Management (Coulson & Witter)
* Plants of the Pacific Northwest (Pojar), or similar local reference
* Trees of Seattle (Jacobson), or similar local reference
* Natural Vegetation of Oregon and Washington (Franklin), or similar local reference
* The Use and Significance of Pesticides in the Environment (McEwen)
* The Body Language of Trees (Mattheck)
* Trees (Coombes)
* Wild Neighbors: The Humane Approach to Living with Wildlife (HSUS)
* IPM World Textbook (Radcliff, online)[10]


jp

Maybe not all of those. All I know is there is a book shelf sitting in my room, 6 1/2 feet high, maybe 4 1/2 or 5 feet wide, and half of it taken up by tree and plant books, ranging from tree climbing, chain saw maintenance manuals, Tree ID books, Shigo books, etc. And besides, I'm working real hard on tree ID right now (Who knew learning over 80 trees in your area, only by bark, leaf, and fruit could be so hard), so I think the 10 books we have on Tree ID is enough to keep me going for awhile!! Thanks for the help!!

 

[Ace76]

You guys who have rope laying around in your garage not being used, I will gladly take it off your hands.

 

[MasterBlaster]

So is this you?

 

[Ace76]

Definately not me.

 

[OTGBOSTON]

You guys who have rope laying around in your garage not being used, I will gladly take it off your hands.

I believe I can find a length of manilla for you, for the right price

 

[inztrees]

Is that what boston issues

 

[OTGBOSTON]

No, but there is plenty of it "hanging" around....