Moronic indecisiveness

[forestryworks]

Lots of things here to comment on...first is to apologize if my earlier post seemed condescending...wasn't meant to be.



No argument from me there.



Oh, the FS can and has afforded to fight this sort of lawsuit time and again...and more often than not lost because the law requires specific things and not doing so is illegal. We tried doing things "our way, correct in our professional opinion"...got our asses kicked too, legally speaking.

What passes for mismanagement to one is responsible stewardship to another, and that's a fact.



Because in this country we see it as the proper way to conduct public policy to allow the folks who pay the bills, i.e. taxpayers, to have a voice in how public lands are managed...even when they are ignorant and base their positions on emotion. Attorneys are not the ones having their say, precisely...it's the interest groups that bring the suits, based on the laws our duly elected officials pass at the behest of their constituents. Judges have a say of course because that's their job...that's how our system of government works.




Here again...what defines a healthy forest is something our society has not agreed upon. Your statement is obviously correct, but how we go about achieving a "healthy forest" generates much debate still.



No question, you are right. I would only point out that the experienced professional and technical forestry management specialists in the FS and other agencies know how to do these things well, it's the policy makers who are in the dark.

Good post, forestryworks.

No condescension taken, Burnham. And thank you for your input.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

Fact is that they have already cut some of these fallen logs in the past and people can walk right through them. It is pretty much a no brainer. Everything Burnam has pointed out is huge in these woods up here. And in other places as well.
I think the article is over emphasizing some of what is also going on as media usually does.
That tree will be a pass through missing part of the log in no time. Park will need that path back open by next season and all the hubub will be dead and forgotten gone.
That tree will stay on the ground for study and habitat. No new paths will be made for fear of traffic and compaction, other than maybe one path along one side of the tree just for viewing scale. Signs will go up, "Stay on Trail" "Stay off Tree". Modus operandi.
It would be cool to make an info center out of the hollowed out log though

 

[simplypete]

Simply exposing the annual rings would be awesome!

+ 1

 

[woodworkingboy]

"Stay off Tree"

Are you sure? I was hoping to add to my collection of naked women on trees.

 

[gf beranek]

Jesus christ, it's just a tree. It died, it fell, time to move on.

A 10ft log is all that would need to be cut out. Cutting stairs into the tree (for an up and over route) is not ADA Accessible.

Totally.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

Jay, I have a few trees about.. maybe

 

[woodworkingboy]

Since you won't mention it I will, and a very attractive woman too!

 

[CurSedVoyce]

 

[forestryworks]

Here again...what defines a healthy forest is something our society has not agreed upon. Your statement is obviously correct, but how we go about achieving a "healthy forest" generates much debate still.

Burnham,

Came across this article, made me think back to your post above.

Utilitarian and Ecosystem Perspectives: Concepts of Forest Health