Lanyards??

[emr]

Around 10' of 3/8" Tenex I just spliced. Used it the last couple days, and even 10' can get in the way.

Am I missing something or not understanding correctly..... your lanyard is made of Tenex? Not the hitch but the actually lanyard? How is that working for you? I always figured that Tenex would work well in that application. Do you have any pics for your set up? How are you adjusting it?

 

[rumination]

Seems to me that Tenex would get torn up pretty quickly in that application. The strands tend to get pulled out fairly easily.

 

[Burnham]

I agree, Leon. It would snag and hang up unmercifully on the trees I deal with regularly. Additionally, it would be too limp for my taste, just in managing it flipping, tossing the end, etc.

 

[Mr. Sir]

Here's an example...not the best but I'm sure you understand. The orange rope is my lanyard.

I don't know, Gary. That looks like a WHOLE LOTTA rope to be carrying around in the tree. That second pic looks like you're tied in with three lines. :what: If I get into a situation like that, I'll use the tail of my climbing line to do a double tie-in. In almost 30 years of climbing, I've never had to tie in three times at once.

 

[brendonv]

Working fine so far. No pics necessary, just picture a piece of single carrier coated 3/8" Tenex white in color held with HRC and a distel, with a Petzl biner on the end. It's fluffed a little like any rope would, and being single carrier it doesn't pic too easy from my experience. I have around 200' of 3/8", 100+ 1/2", and 200+ 3/4". For 10 minutes and a couple dollars it was worth the try for me on a rainy day.

 

[emr]

Do you have some type of protection over the your lanyard...like some webbing or something? Please dont think that I am knocking your idea. Actually I am pretty interested in the whole thing.

 

[Burnham]

Working fine so far. No pics necessary, just picture a piece of single carrier coated 3/8" Tenex white in color held with HRC and a distel, with a Petzl biner on the end. It's fluffed a little like any rope would, and being single carrier it doesn't pic too easy from my experience. I have around 200' of 3/8", 100+ 1/2", and 200+ 3/4". For 10 minutes and a couple dollars it was worth the try for me on a rainy day.

Must be different Tenex than I'm thinking of.

 

[brendonv]

No protection around the lanyard.

B- There's 2 types of Tenex, single carrier and double carrier. In single there is 12 strands, in double there is 12 strands but each of the 12 strands is a double.

 

[Burnham]

Better do some research to inform myself better...thanks, Brendon.

 

[Bounce]

Single carrier Tenex is the most loosely braided rope out there. It can't be used as a rigging line because it plucks too easily. Wouldn't a tighter braid be better?

 

[brendonv]

I don't really want to hijack his thread much more, but sure-another rope would be better. I wanted to try the Tenex 1. because I have a shitload of it, and 2. I can splice it in less than 10 minutes.

IMO the double carrier picks alot easier than the single.

 

[top hopper]

I use a 15 footer made of Beeline. The smaller daimeter makes it a little less bulky to carry vs a larger diameter. It doesnt really get in the way too much. When stowed there is about 8 feet of lanyard at the ready, the rest of it is is coiled up and clipped to the rear of my harness. to hold the unused (last 7-8 feet) up i run it thru a fig 8, this holds it up, and yet puts enough friction on the line so I dont get it snagged and pull it through. If that makes any sense?

 

[top hopper]

Not a great pic but here you can see the excess lanyard, wrapped thru the fig 8, then the end is hooked up right on top of the 8

 

[pantheraba]

I don't know, Gary. That looks like a WHOLE LOTTA rope to be carrying around in the tree. That second pic looks like you're tied in with three lines.

Shoot, I don't have a good answer. I'll blow up the original at home and see if it makes sense. I know I had a rigging/belay line with me and a small blue line that looks just like Velocity but isn't (I sometimes use it as an equipment hauling line - pullies, saw, water etc).

If I did have 3 tie-ins I must have been REAL skittish that day.

 

[MasterBlaster]

Too many ropes, dood.

 

[pantheraba]

I agree.

 

[pete mctree]

Here are the pics as promised.

1st as a lanyard, rest stored in the bag

2nd showing full 30ft for use as a 2nd line. Plus the first aid kit and cellox which also live in my "man-bag"

 

[top hopper]

Funky rug!

 

[Tucker943]

Mr. Burnham, you've taught me something. In fact, you've got me wondering how much energy and movement I have wasted in the past trying to stabilize myself. I guess its the simple things i often overlook.

 

[sotc]

Here are the pics as promised.

1st as a lanyard, rest stored in the bag

2nd showing full 30ft for use as a 2nd line. Plus the first aid kit and cellox which also live in my "man-bag"

pete has a murse!!

 

[rumination]

The saddle murse rocks. I love mine.

 

[jomoco]

There is a profitable sweetspot that I take full advantage of regularly.

It's knowing when to rig and when it's a waste of time, valuable time.

Most climbers that have worked with me are shocked at the trees I can safely put on the ground with just a standard saddle rope, chainsaw and gaffs, the only thing extra on my saddle are 3 nylon loop straps and biners.

I cut and chuck both brush and wood into two separate piles in the LZ small enough for one groundie to handle.

Lots of what you guys call snap cuts, I call them holding cuts. I also speedline troublesome limbs using the tail of my climbing line, a big ISA no no, but I consider myself a good enough climber to get down from the tree safely even if you tied the tail of my climbing line to a fire hydrant.

I've never taught my unsavory techniques to another climber precisely because they probably are very dangerous for novice climbers.

But building landing pads of brush in the LZ to cushion the wood being dropped on it, all done by the climber in the tree, is an art form all it's own.

There is alot to be said about spartan minimalist mentalities that can be very profitable and time saving if done by a soldier skilled enough in the art of killing.

jomoco

 

[MasterBlaster]

Never waste time rigging if you can safely bomb the stuff.

Kinda a common sense type of thing.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

+1

 

[jomoco]

Never waste time rigging if you can safely bomb the stuff.

Kinda a common sense type of thing.

There's a huge difference between bombing, and controlled cutting of brush with one hand, and catching and chucking precisely with the other MB, particularly as a climber.

The ISA would have octuplet cows watching me work, and then ban me for life!

One handing a chainsaw!

The horror!

jomoco