Friction Saver / False Crotch?

[lxskllr]

Do you all use these much, and if so, do you set them remotely much? Is it as much a PITA as it looks? I think I have some use for one in a choker configuration, but it would have to be set remotely which adds more hassle to the scenario. Worth fooling with, or think of something else?

 

[stig]

It is easy enough to remote set them with a little practice.

I don't do it any more since I switched to SRT .

 

[Altissimus]

Yep , what he said ...

 

[ruel]

Same as above.

I do really like the rigging ring version for setting remote retrievable rigging points. For climbing, not so much

 

[pantheraba]

Leather friction saver I used to use all the time. Easy to set up. Jeff Jepson's book taught me to do it. Whatever I use a double rope technique I use a leather donkey friction saver.

 

[Tree09]

I still use mine to set up as a canopy anchor for srt, you set it as normal, then do an alpine butterfly with a crab backup to jam in it.

 

[lxskllr]

Cool, thanks guys. I'll order a couple small rings, and put one together. I already have the large rings. When I ordered, that was all that was in stock. and it was sufficient for my purposes at that time.

 

[Bodean]

They usually set up in a basket configuration... rarely seen set in a choker configuration

 

[Bodean]

I find they are good for SRT or drt in a pine... keeps the rope from getting manky.

 

[lxskllr]

My goal is to have a "limb" where there is none, or none I trust to support me anyway. I want to use a limb to hold the vertical position, but have the stem take the bulk of the weight.

 

[Bodean]

You might be better off w an ultra sling w rings..

Curious how to choke and retrieve remotely a false crotch.

 

[lxskllr]

I'm curious too! :^D

I'm pretty sure I can do it with multiple bag throws, but I confuse myself when I try to really nail down the process. I need to get out and play with it, testing out ideas while doing it.

 

[Bodean]

I'm sure that's how Benjamin Franklin did it.

 

[Bodean]

You can use a friction saver around the trunk too... even if the trunk is way bigger... your line makes up the difference.

 

[Burnham]

Adjustable ring and ring friction saver for the win, in that scenario.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

Yup

 

[lxskllr]

Any opinions on how to set it up? Got most of my rings today, and 20' of Ocean cord, which I'll use for my first saver. Maybe just a plain saver to start, and an adjustable later with perhaps different rope. How about length? Is 36" a reasonable all round choice?

 

[ruel]

What diameter oceans? For climbing I think adjustable is the way to go. Can be made by just knoting. You could make a "BUCKSQUEEZE" with virtually no knots

 

[lxskllr]

I got 10mm. I have a BuckSqueeze type thing made with Hawkeye, but it's more for using as a lanyard. It's pretty long.

 

[Eric H-L]

How did it go? I got inspired by you and made myself an adjustable! Will try it on a recreational removal Saturday.

 

[lxskllr]

It went well. Nothing fancy, but it'll work...



I also need to finish/refine my "bucksqueeze", but I have to examine all my rope, and figure out which will get the knife.

 

[treesmith]

I use them all the time, climbing and rigging. I shoot for 4' total length when finished. Varies by a few inches. When tying in on small tops (-4"), I simply girth hitch the saver around the stem.

 

[BeerGeek]

Scott, are those 2 on the right spliced with Treemaster?

 

[Tree09]

On a somewhat related note, does anyone run an extra prussic with a carabiner on their lanyard, to choke up against the trunk? I guess they are required overseas, but I'm wondering if it might be nice for smaller stuff rather than doing a 540 wrap which you can't advance easily. This could be undone almost instantly to go back to normal climbing and then locking your work position when needed. Climb to your spot, clip the other side of the lanyard, and then just slide it to the trunk. I'm not talking about climbing bigger stuff, that's not the problem, I'm just thinking for skinnier stuff that doesn't have the friction so you are less stable. I guess the petzl microflip thing uses it. Thoughts? I'm starting climbing again so now is a good time to tweak a few things and a better way of work positioning on small stuff would be nice. The x wrap and the 540 both work well but are kinda awkward, I'm just wondering if anyone's tried this or similar.

 

[CurSedVoyce]

No. Not I.
That would be adding one more obsticle to over come on a self rescue.