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Hey Scott!!!

I like apples, too. Welcome to the TreeHouse! :beer:

I checked your profile, but it was blank. I guess you're in the biz? Climber? Logger? Chain saw fan? :rockon:

Old enough to drink? :drink:
 
It's $1.3 billion a year, it's also one of the reasons the military hasn't attacked the citizens, they want that money and know they can't operate without it!
I also agree we'd better be very supportive to what the people want and what they set up for a government.
I'm surprised we haven't heard from their president yet today, but lots of ways this can go yet.
 
I like apples, too. Welcome to the TreeHouse! :beer:

I checked your profile, but it was blank. I guess you're in the biz? Climber? Logger? Chain saw fan? :rockon:

Old enough to drink? :drink:

I'm a landscaper in the Vancouver area up here in Canada. Found the site through a fella named Paul...I think y'all might of heard of him.
Excellent avatar btw. Cheers
 
It will take a little more than that in Egypt, Jay.

An estimated 80% of Egyptian women are victims of pharaonic infibulation.

That is a lot more screwed up than wrapping yourself in a burka.

The US government is not alone in supporting those despots in the middle east in the cause of keeping things calm.
The wonderful EU have been doing the same .

I think the best way to keep the militant followers of the prophet ( blessed be his name) from taking over, is for us to lend our support to whatever new government the people of Tunesia and Egypt come up with.

There was an Egyptian blogger who wrote right after the president of Tunesia fled: "I hope all you old men who have been holding the arab countries in your hands for so long, are sleeping badly now. Your turn is coming, too"
Quite profetic!

Genital Manipulation is just messed up. This figure blew my mind... 80% holy cow.

ha! even better!

I was gonna use this.
 
Not as much as it used to be.
A good portion of the shipping companies have started to go around Africa to avoid Somali pirates.
 
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Katie is on the ground, clear a path!
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I think overall they have been pretty tame today, protesters getting their 2 cents in, nobody beating the crap out of one another, limited military intervention when tempers started to flare...
 
Government security agents infiltrated the mobs and vandalized stuff to give the movement a bad name. They captured some of the hooligans and they had Government IDs. Stupid intelligence agents.
 
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Hadn't heard that yet. I am curious to read the security releases 20 years from now about what is happening behind closed doors and the magic red phone in country leaders' offices...
 
I wish people would do that here, risk getting thrown out if the country but I'd like to join in. Our government sucks. There used to be the 'Red Army', they raised some sh@t. Wonder what happened to them? Mostly now unless it has a joy stick, people don't want a confrontation.
 
I don't think that revolution is a good choice in a Western, first world nation. Folks who want that sort of thing haven't really thought it through. Egypt is running out of supplies in its major cities. If the unrest continues it will get ugly because there is no food to buy in the stores. Folks are unhappy in Egypt because their economy is weak and they want freedom. Even if they get freedom, their economy will still be weak. A new democratic government is not a panacea. Things will get worse before they get better. Are you guys hungry enough for change in your respective governments that you are willing to go hungry? Are you willing to hurt your own economies and set them back for years on the off chance that the new boss won't be the same as the old boss?
 
I think after 30 years of oppression, they are willing to risk it. Imagine, 30 years before you can speak freely about your likes or dislikes of the government. 30 years of the looser in the election getting thrown in prison for forgery after loosing a rigged election. 30 years of police invasions into every aspect of your life on a whim!
I don't think any of them are under the illusion it's going to be easy, but they have the momentum and taken away the power from the President and feel stopping short of anything but his withdrawal is a failure and they will become oppressed again.
Who's to say he's not going to continue to rig the elections? Who's to say he's not going to start arresting people to make an impression on the rest once the dust settles?
He's lied to these people in the past, what reason do they have to believe him now? They have but one goal in mind, his removal, I don't think anything but that is going to stop this protest!
 
I wasn't clear. I think the Egyptians are doing what is best for them at this time. I do not think a similar revolution would benefit Japan or the US. The risks outweigh the possible good outcomes by a large margin. I think it is still better to work within the existing system in both places.
 
Darin, I'm really glad there weren't more people who thought like you here in America back about 240 years ago.
 
Why the American revolution Failed.
The American Revolution succeeded in accomplishing the securing of rights for the citizens of America, however by not creating a sound economic base, the Revolution failed by not ensuring that the new government was strong enough to protect rights. When it was decided that the colonies would declare independence from Britain, the motivation was to secure national rights for its citizens. What the colonists failed to realize is that they were being supported financially by the British government. After the Americans achieved this independence from tyranny, they failed to ensure strong governmental protection, and only through strong governmental protection can you achieve rights protection.

In the beginning of British colonial rule, the British government was strong and stable enough to make decisions for the colonies, which would not only help the empire as a whole, but would help the colonies. One measure to help the colonies was the passing of the Navigation Acts. These acts secured a market for colonial goods, in addition to helping the Empire as a whole. Measures like the Navigation Acts were taken to secure a base of financial stability for the colonies. However, in the minds of the colonial land owners, these acts were a violation of their liberty because not only did they feel that superficially the taxes were not just, but they were too dense to realize that the taxes were going to help them. The colonists did not see a 100% return on their taxes so they cried foul. In addition to that, we can look later in history and see that the Tea Act and England's compromise with the East India Tea Company, in which they would ship directly to the colonies instead of going through England, was instituted in order so that the colonists would pay less for their tea, and, at the same time, generate taxes in order to pay for the upkeep of the Empire.


In essence, the rich colonists were able to gain power because after the revolution, they could rule themselves. For the rest of the colonists, however, the only thing that was gained was a victory of morale. The US Revolution allowed for and helped the French as well as other international revolutions, by laying a ground work for how a revolution can be accomplished successfully. However, the American Revolution did not accomplish what many think it accomplished -- the securing of life, liberty and property for all Americans.
When looking at the American Revolution, what it failed to accomplish stands out more than what the Revolution actually accomplished. The colonists were trying to achieve a protection of liberty and a protection of their natural rights. However, by not providing a sound economic or political system to run off of in case the revolution succeeded, it failed to secure the protection of natural rights for the new government's citizens. Before the revolution, the colonies were monitored by the British government, an expert in managing economic and political affairs. Clearly, we can see that the revolutionaries did not plan ahead, and put the rights of their citizens in jeopardy by not being able to quickly agree on how the country should be administered. First, they couldn't agree on a government. Looking at the Federalist Papers, we can see that it actually took persuading on the part of the Federalists to have 12 of the 13 colonies agree on a government that could protect rights, and, even after that, it took Rhode Island another fourteen months before they accepted the new federal government.

In addition, the newly created government could not agree on how the people would be represented. First, the Constitution did not protect or even acknowledge the rights of women or of minorities, and it barely recognized the rights of the lower and middle class, if at all. The 3/5 Compromise was a result of this, where congress, after much debate, agreed that slaves would count as 60% of a person.

However, this was not the greatest problem. The greatest problem arose from the Federalist's poor planning of a financial base for the new union. During England's colonial administration, the colonies never worried about this because the Navigation Acts game them a guaranteed market. However, this also greatly concentrated their trade to the point in which they weren't trading with any other country. It is easy to see how America fell into financial ruin after they gained their independence -- they had no one to trade with. Looking to governments around the world, and more recently with Russia, when the government is broke, the rights of the citizens cannot be protected.

In the US, inflation occurred when the government mass produced the Constitution, thus causing a Yeltsin effect. With inflation sky rocketing, the economy of the US plummeted and the government, or what was left of it, fell into a period of grave economic depression. This period negated any recent progress of the revolution because by not planning ahead, the revolutionary leaders were simply looking out for the good of themselves and not the good of the citizens as a whole. It is in this way that the American Revolution succeeded in accomplishing the securing of rights for the wealthy citizens of American, however by not planning ahead and creating a strong government with an economic base, the principles of the Revolution were not achieved by the Revolution itself.
 
If we killed all the politicians where I live, it wouldn't make any difference in the short term, they don't currently do any good at all, basically not even the simplest of things. They have absolutely no respect for the general population, just well versed at giving lip service to it, like they are talking to a bunch of gullible children. One more day with leaders like this is one more day too long. They could easily be replaced by more well meaning people. That isn't to say that sometimes well meaning people don't get into office now, but the old guard powers that be suppress any possibility of meaningful work getting done, and soon the new faces start looking like the old faces, full of greed and other assorted self interest. The place needs to be completely disinfected. I could tighten my belt a little more for that, it's pretty tight now.
 
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