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And I will bet my left nad that the spiderlift will be a memory in 18 yrs.

I do not see the longevity in that unit to be still working in 18 yrs.

I dissagree!! If maintaned and serviced I think it will run quite a while. Look at how many old Bobcats etc. are still running around with all the abuse they get!! I know the motor is bomb proof, and yes parts will need replaced, but I think it should easily last that. Look at how long some of these old bucket trucks have run!!!
 
A climber has his future secured no doubt, a spiderlift can also do wonders for a tree care professional. Let us not forget the slack homeowners who wait years to call about dead tress in the back yard.

No climber in his right mind would climb trees that are stone dead for multiple years.

Plus I would see the benefit of a spiderlift on those hot long summer days.

It is also much cheaper than running a bucket truck.
 
The single biggest drawback to the spiderlifts is their lack of bulk. The best, most secure feeling I ever had in my bucket was the one day I screwed up a cut and sent a 150 lb chunk of wood down almost 50 feet and smack on top of the truck. I heard the crash and knew there was body damage but I didn't feel a hint of movement in the boom. Those tiny little spiderlifts simply aren't beefy enough to sustain that kind of hit without collapsing and/or flicking me off into the horizon like an unwanted booger, and even with 20 years experience I still screw up a cut once in a while. I can see trimming out of one but I certainly don't want to be cutting any big wood while up in one. Call me a skeptic, call me ignorant but my ass is safer in a bucket than in a spiderlift.
 
I dissagree!! If maintaned and serviced I think it will run quite a while. Look at how many old Bobcats etc. are still running around with all the abuse they get!! I know the motor is bomb proof, and yes parts will need replaced, but I think it should easily last that. Look at how long some of these old bucket trucks have run!!!

Andy, there is too many electronics, hydraulic drives, and leveling systems in the Spiderlifts that will fail over time and be too costly to replace (especially since it is an import).
A Bobcat is not a good comparison. In a Bobcat you would still use it if the loader pins and bushings were sloppy and worn out, you probably wouldn't think twice. Would you go 60' in the air on worn pins and bushings?

The old bucket trucks that are still around are the ones that were simple no gadgets or doo dads to maintain just simple engineering.

The Spider lift is not engineered simple.
 
Those tiny little spiderlifts simply aren't beefy enough to sustain that kind of hit without collapsing and/or flicking me off into the horizon like an unwanted booger, and even with 20 years experience I still screw up a cut once in a while.

Great post, you are 100% right.
 
Here it is guys...........straight out.

This is from spiderlifts ad in this month's TCI magazine.

Train Employee's Faster: Instead of two or three years of training to become a skilled tree climber, a ground man can now learn to use a spiderlift in minutes, and become an expert tree worker in three to four weeks.

That is the the most irresponsible advertising I have seen in a long time.

These lifts are marketed towards unsuspecting and inexperienced buyers promising them and I quote " Instant edge: Allows landscapers to instantly add profitable tree services................"

And further it is my opinion that marketing a lift (to be used in tree work) without at least electrical insulation for the operator is complete insanity.

Most tree guys know not to get something like this near any conductor, but when you are blatently marketing to inexperienced buyers are we sure they know not to??

Mark my words, these will be a blight on our industry and insurance rates in the years to come.

I still like this post
 
You haven't looked at a new Bobcat in a while!!!! It's all electric over hydraulic now. And has been for almost ten years. The G-series machines are completly computer controled. I could plug a laptop in the back of one tell you the hyd. temp, the hyd. pressure, engine RPM, temp oil pressure etc. I could break it down and give you part numbers for about anything on the machine down to the number of teeth on the flywheel!!!! Everything is gong this way. The Vovlo Wheelloaders and Excavators where no different. The C-F series Bobcats of the 80's had a computer running the gauges and interlock system, they would shut the machine down if there was a problem. Get used to it, it's only going to get worse on this aspect, I predict computers of some type on chainsaws in the next five to seven years!!
I dissagree with Brian on he flimsyness of them, they seem to be built rather solid to me. The weight savings comes from not having a truck frame and engine large enough to move a big truck like that around at speed.
Again, you have to see one to really grasp it.
 
I guess I wasn't thinking about the electronic joystck controls on them. But the point is in 18 yrs those parts will out value the machine whereas the parts for simple old buckets are still around.

Case in point is my Kobelco SK200 excavator. The computer burnt up in it and it will cost more for the computer and display than the machine is worth. So its hard wired so the hydraulics are in the HI work mode.
 
18 years is a long time for any piece of equipment to be run in production type work. in ten years you will have made enough money with one to be able to replace it. and someone will be glad to buy your used unit.
 
I saw a brand new JCB JS220 delivered to a site we were working on. The next morning the cab was burnt out by vandals. I had to escort the insurance assesor to the machine and stay with him for the inspection. Belive it or not, he wrote the whole machine off because of the computers controls and wiring harness were burnt out. He said it would go back to the factory and come out again as another brand new machine.

And having seen the tuepen up close, I can confirm that they are VERY well engineered.
 
I guess I wasn't thinking about the electronic joystck controls on them. But the point is in 18 yrs those parts will out value the machine whereas the parts for simple old buckets are still around.

Case in point is my Kobelco SK200 excavator. The computer burnt up in it and it will cost more for the computer and display than the machine is worth. So its hard wired so the hydraulics are in the HI work mode.

I see you're point as well Andrew, I am not trying to start a pissing contest, sorry i it comes across that way.

Off topic, but neat stories either way.
I have seen two brand new Bobcats leave, one had 3.5hrs on it. Made it foru miles down the road, kid driving the truck was young and inexperianced, puling an 800 series machine with a half ton truck. Looked down, looked back up and had the right front tire off the shoulder, overcorrected and rolled the whole thing!!! Came back two hours latter, left again two weeks latter. $5k o put it back together.
Had a service call on another new one, 50ish hours, rental company had bought it. The mechanic took off the airfilter and water came out. He followed the tracks around the garage back to the POOL!!!! They had backed it in the pool, somehow puled it out drug it around front, and the rental company wanted it fixed under waranty!!!!! It was priceless!!! $10k latter....................
On the Spider, thething that scares me is being up, then the controls lock and you have to figure out how o get down!!!!
 
Andy, I didnt think we were starting a pissing contest. All is good.
 
Pissing match. Man I do need to go....:/:
It's all about making money. It has to fit your needs, be in your budget, and be reliable. Hell we could all go back to axes and hand saws. But that will not happen. I think you all would be surprised how well the Spider works.
But that is wasting time if you form a opinion about somthing without using one. All I can tell you is I would not get rid of it for anything except maybe another Spider....:D
 
I have been looking at the spider from this point of view. we most always are doing mulitple trees on propertys. I think that the setup and drive time would be lower with the spider for one person than a dedicated bucket truck. especcially on a well landscaped yard.
 
Pissing match. Man I do need to go....:/:
It's all about making money. It has to fit your needs, be in your budget, and be reliable. Hell we could all go back to axes and hand saws. But that will not happen. I think you all would be surprised how well the Spider works.
But that is wasting time if you form a opinion about somthing without using one. All I can tell you is I would not get rid of it for anything except maybe another Spider....:D

I for one respect the decision you made Dave. I have no doubt that you will get your money's worth and more out of that machine.
 
Dave, I know those have been around in Europe for quite a while. Was Teupen able to give you some references there that provided any long term outlook, durability and maintenance wise.

TS
 
Tom I did ask about that. They told me they have some approaching 30 years in service. But no I did not call anyone in Europe. I don't like buying anything without getting a demo and trying it out.
I called a couple of owners about there lifts (23gt). But did not get to try one. But I am very pleased with the lift so far. Believe me if it would have been a p.o.s. I would be raising holy hell.

As far as Wi-Fy, have you flown a plane lately they have been using fly by wire for many years.

Thanks Darin.... It's all ok. :D

I'm not tellng anyone to go buy anything. If they are comfortable with the stuff they have now and it makes them a living. Then thats great.
It's all about what works best for each and every one of us. No situation is the same....8)
 
And I will bet my left nad that the spiderlift will be a memory in 18 yrs.

I do not see the longevity in that unit to be still working in 18 yrs.

Spiderlifts will be around in 18 years. Just think, only 10 years ago the cell phone was a luxury, now 10 year old kids have them.

Less than 90 years ago the modern chainsaw was created. We no longer use axes to cut down trees. I am sure the loggers back then saw the price of the chainsaw and laughed, all while merrily sawing back and forth, or swinging the ax. Chainsaws are still around today.

The bucket truck is old technology. It is the land line telephone. it is the ax of yesteryear. Climbing was cut by 50% when the bucket truck became a mature product.

Here is about where the tree industry is with lifts today:

60% traditional bucket truck
30% climbing
10% Spiderlift, trailer mounted lift or other alternative

Here is what i see happening for the tree industry in the USA in the next 10 years:

50% traditional bucket truck
40% Spiderlift or trailer mounted lift or other alternative
10 % climbing

Don't laugh. Remember, we were all driving cars without airbags and anti-lock brakes only 15 years ago. Technology is moving fast and every piece of equipment you add will make work easier and more profitable.

Please give me some feedback. What does everyone here think? Are my numbers off?

The single biggest drawback to the spiderlifts is their lack of bulk. The best, most secure feeling I ever had in my bucket was the one day I screwed up a cut and sent a 150 lb chunk of wood down almost 50 feet and smack on top of the truck. I heard the crash and knew there was body damage but I didn't feel a hint of movement in the boom. Those tiny little spiderlifts simply aren't beefy enough to sustain that kind of hit without collapsing and/or flicking me off into the horizon like an unwanted booger, and even with 20 years experience I still screw up a cut once in a while. I can see trimming out of one but I certainly don't want to be cutting any big wood while up in one. Call me a skeptic, call me ignorant but my ass is safer in a bucket than in a spiderlift.

A valid concern. However, after having used multiple types of lifts I can confidently say that a Teupen is far more stable than a normal bucket truck. Granted, if you drop a large log on it you will do damage. But, it is not going to be unsafe.

Lets assume that you can place the Teupen in the best, safest possible location.

A Teupen does not allow you to put more than 70% of the load on any outrigger at any given time. A standard bucket truck will let you lift an outrigger anytime you want. What if you have an outrigger up on the bucket and you make a mistake and it tips? which is worse, fixing a Teupen after making a mistake, or having to buy a whole new bucket because it tipped?

I guess it all depends on what your definition of "safe" is. Our safety has the operator in mind.

Can I arrange a demonstration of a Teupen so that your concern is addressed?

Andy, there is too many electronics, hydraulic drives, and leveling systems in the Spiderlifts that will fail over time and be too costly to replace (especially since it is an import).
A Bobcat is not a good comparison. In a Bobcat you would still use it if the loader pins and bushings were sloppy and worn out, you probably wouldn't think twice. Would you go 60' in the air on worn pins and bushings?

The old bucket trucks that are still around are the ones that were simple no gadgets or doo dads to maintain just simple engineering.

The Spider lift is not engineered simple.

Last year I was at Six Flags and noticed that the pressure sensors on the roller coasters are the exact same sensors that we use on our machines...

Not all the parts are import. Most parts are available here in the US without coming from overseas. Most of the electronics come from Hetronic, which is based in Tulsa, OK. All the sensors and electronics are standard parts, except for a few unique parts that we have been testing for years.

It is not the parts that makes this machine unique; it is the combination of the parts and the way they work together.

Obviously, care needs to be taken when going up high. but if you own a bucket truck, the maintenance is very similar.

Regarding our ads in the TCIA magazine, I am listening to your comments.

Suggestions are certainly appreciated as well!

Everything we say comes directly from our own experience and the experience of our customers.

We in no way are trying to trick anyone or give the wrong message.

Having said that, a competent grounds man can learn to be a Teupen operator in much less time than a standard bucket man because of the saftey systems that they have. You can not, under normal operation, lift an outrigger on a Teupen.

Granted, 1 month experience does not replace 3 years experience. But from a safety perspective, after 1 month a competent ground man would be a safe Spiderlift operator.
 
I'm missing something on the 'lifting an outrigger' issue. I have a bucket truck and would never run it without the outriggers deployed as I'm fairly confident it would rollover. And from what I've heard some of the newer trucks won't let the lift go 'live' unless the outriggers are down past a certain point? No one actually runs a bucket with no or only one outrigger down do they? Not trying to derail here just you (Spiderlift) have mentioned this a couple of times now and I'm not following.

To me the Spiderlifts look like the cats meow I'd love to have one just not in the cards yet. Imo we have only two members here that have them and as far as I've heard have any extensive experience with them. They both swear by them, that to me says something. We've also heard from a bunch of bucket owners that swear by them as well, I would like to have both one day.
 
My post was not that Spiderlifts as a product line won't be around in 18 yrs it was that the particular unit wont have a service life span of 18 yrs.

That is proven by the current manlift market, according to a friend in the manlift rental business, 10 yrs is the max life on a manlift unit.

As far as Six Flags rides, one of my employee's used to work at one thier parks here in NY. Wanna guess how often they have to perform rescues or how often rides get hung up due to an electronic malfunction?? LOTS.

I like your last statement that a groundman could become a competent spiderlift operator in a month. That is worlds different and alot better than what your advertisement sez.
 
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