Injury at another company, beware!

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I worked contract climbed for another tree service (Aaron's) on Monday. Aaron's groundie and my employee Ben knew each other. Aaron's groundie worked for 5 months with a company that I worked for when I first came to Olympia. This is not the first serious injury with this company, 3rd at least.

A top went over backwards, somehow. They were just pulling with a pull rope, no info about wedges backing the pull rope. The groundie had the rope wrapped around each hand for better grip. The top went backward with the groundie getting dragged 60' (from what I heard). Two broken hands.


The adage rings true, "Don't wrap the rope around anything that you don't mind losing".

Keep the rope out in front of you, as well, or stacked in the bag at your feet.
 
... ouch ... my friend's cousin just lost part of her thumb lashing a marine line to a cleat ...the poor groundworker !!! ...(as a first responder I mentioned a fact to my last patient with bi-lateral wrist fractures , you will shortly find out who your real friends are ... she didn't get it I didn't have the heart to spell it out
 
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... ouch ... my friend's cousin just lost part of her thumb lashing a marine line to a cleat ...the poor groundworker !!! ...(as a first responder I mentioned a fact to my last patient with bi-lateral wrist fractures , you will shortly find out who your real friends are ... she didn't get it I didn't have the heart to spell it out

Her real friends will take her shopping for a bidet.

What's a person to do?
 
A guy I knew through mountain biking got killed because he wrapped a rope around his hand, drug him into the tree and broke his neck....

Wanna see me holler, wrap a rope around your hand on my job......
 
I've known two people that were pulled up a tree. One of them caught a branch in his mouth and it ripped his cheek open, like that whatchamacallit cut? He sports a beard most of the time, nowadays.

I've been waiting for Brian to say that saying he likes to say...

:/:
 
Must've been one helluva top if it went backwards with a rope on it.
 
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Coulda been a windy day, maybe. We get some of that wind stuff up here, sans hurricanes.



Anybody see any reason not to use my technique of tying the rope off and deflecting it perpendicular to the rope to magnify the force? I thought it up myself, and haven't seen any flaws, but I could be missing something. I don't imagine going beyond the SWL with 200 or less pounds of human on top of the rope. An actual doubling would still be within the SWL when the reduction for the choking knot is factored in.
 
That's a good way to use a pull rope, do it fairly often.

If it was THAT windy that dude shouldn't have been trying to top the tree.
 
Would it not have been safer to tie off to a skid steer or truck, with redirect if needed, in all those cases ?

Certainly a lot faster than setting up the GRCS or a pulley system. Fast, easy and plenty of pulling power, which allows a lot of flexibilty with cuts and other options that are not practical when pulling by hand with MA in many scenarios.
 
But it's 100% effective for those who prefer brute power over finesse and control. Until you get that one job where you use a little bit too much brute power. :O

And relying on brute power all the time dulls your skills because you aren't using any.
 
It all depends... you have to know when and where to use it properly and when not to use it and you have to trust the people you are working with.. Its just another tool in the kit. It does require skill and experience to use well. And it allows a lot more creativity in falling and rigging, and is certainly safer in many scenarios. Stay tuned for examples. I can't break any of my lines with my skid steer on turf, no matter how they are tied...

Now pulling with a dozer or skidder and 50,000 lb winch is what I call brute power... PLenty of people do it and stand by it.. I DON'T... And after using the skid steer for the last 18 months, I wouldn't do tree work without it. Maybe you should at least demo a mini.. tow it with the bucket and charge extra if your clients want to use it.. depends on your client base though..
 
Coulda been a windy day, maybe. We get some of that wind stuff up here, sans hurricanes.



Anybody see any reason not to use my technique of tying the rope off and deflecting it perpendicular to the rope to magnify the force? I thought it up myself, and haven't seen any flaws, but I could be missing something.

A few things.
A bag of ice to ease the strain in your shoulder from patting yourself on your back.
As to you "coming up with the idea yourself' you got beat on that simple rigging phenom by a few hundred years.
Besides "your" ground breaking methods, give some crazy stuff a thought, a simple 3:1 with a progress capture, or a high tie with a good amount of scope. Maybe you already thought that stuff up as well. Lucky for the industry you decided to bless us.:lol:
 
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A few things.
A bag of ice to ease the strain in your shoulder from patting yourself on your back.
As to you "coming up with the idea yourself' you got beat on that simple rigging phenom by a few hundred years.
Besides "your" ground breaking methods, give some crazy stuff a thought, a simple 3:1 with a progress capture, or a high tie with a good amount of scope. Maybe you already thought that stuff up as well. Lucky for the industry you decided to bless us.:lol:

Wiley,

That was a sincere question asking for feedback. Maybe there is something that I hadn't figured.

By "my" I didn't mean that I was the originator, simply the technique that I was using, which could have possibly prevented two broken hands and a drag, with whatever associated injuries. I've never seen or heard of anybody using it, so I came up with it myself, but not before others, surely many others. I've never heard it discussed. I had no other name to call it.

For upright fells, this is often all you need to get the tree to rock over. So many groundmen want to wrap the rope around their body parts or put in knots that they can hold. They will be ready to stand there while you face it up, wasting time, IMO. Once the rope is hung, if it is attached to something (simply a tree, a 3:1 with progress capture, a 1:1 with PC, whatever) it is off the ground in the work area, nobody will move it while the saw is near it. Seems simple and efficient.

I was just trying to ask if there is any reason that its not a good idea, and to offer it up as a trick that others may not have thought of, nor read about, nor had taught to them.

I've had to learn a lot by reading different forums. These little things, especially when such a simple thing can prevent an injury or death, are worth sharing with the other people. If they know it, no problem. If they don't know it, nor care to use it, no problem. If I can help someone else, as I have been helped, then I'm repaying a debt owed for the help that I've gotten.

What do you mean by a "high tie with a good amount of scope"? I don't get what you mean. Care to explain? The high tie--- a large moment arm/ lever arm? The "scope" part, I haven't heard before.

I'm always interested to learn new things and share what has been shared with me. Few things are my own ideas, but I have come up with a few select things, independent of others sharing them with me, that aren't half-bad. I'm sure you have, too, as well as a lot of other people. We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, aren't we?

Truly, I could have said "the aforementioned technique". I'll try to phrase it better in the future.

I'm sure you'll keep calling them as you see them, which is fine.
 
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A good thing to mention about whatever anyone would like to call the aforementioned pretensioned double round turn, double half-hitch pull rope tie-off would be that if it is a gusty day, then a progress capture would be an important consideration.

I bear this in mind. I could have said it for those who may not have it in mind.
 
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