How many of you are running ported saws

woodworkingboy said:
I recall seeing guys using 090s when smaller saws seemed more appropriate. The power in those things was an elixir.
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While cutting paper rolls at the local papermill I had to outfit my 137cc Stihl 090AV with a 60"bar and .404 semi chisel harvester chain. On a good day my worker and I would cut over 40 rolls with 5 gal of gas 2 gal chain oil and up to 5 minutes WOT for each cut.
The 090 never missed a beat.

Willard.
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CurSedVoyce said:
Paper had to be hell on the chain .....
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Yep toughest thing I ever cut. No ordinary paper either. Made from 100 yr old northern Manitoba black spruce pecker poles. Theres about 1 mile of paper in that roll. Weighs over 6,000 lbs. This pulp/paper mill has been making paper without a break since it opened in 1969. Back then it was a government owned company and the big wigs brought in about 30 Finland papermen and their familys to our little town. The mill today is still breaking new production records and still have a hard time keeping the orders filled. Biggest customer is cement bag companies out of Mexico. The lower grade paper is used for feed bags.
Google up Tolko SPX paper.

Willard.
 
Rob used to handle the paper rolls for Color Press (Quebecor)... Probably a different paper, but non the less... The paper industry is so competitive, I bet they are hard pressed (not a pun) to stay on top like that.
 
CurSedVoyce said:
Rob used to handle the paper rolls for Color Press (Quebecor)... Probably a different paper, but non the less... The paper industry is so competitive, I bet they are hard pressed (not a pun) to stay on top like that.
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Our Tolko mill where I'm cutting the rolls with my 090 is only 2 of such mills in North America the other is in Washington state. We have older stronger fibre making better quality SPX paper.
I was cutting these rolls in half so they could fit them in their re-pulper because these rolls were culls and couldn't be sold. Since then the mill has bought a $30,000 stationary electric chainsaw to do the work I used to do. I don't miss it, alot of grunt and handfiling for only a $100 hr. 12 hr a day.

Willard.
 
sotc said:
So why did they want you to cutt it with a chainsaw? Didn't the bar oil soak in?
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I explained that in my last post. These cull rolls were too long to fit into their repulper so they hired me to cut them in half. I was the only guy in the country with a saw this big. Bar oil doesn't do anything to the paper because the roll is broken back down with a chemical process and all the crap is skimmed off the top.
The 090 is the toughest saw out there guarenteed. After 5 minutes WOT through these paper rolls a 880 or a 3120XP's steel muffler would be red hot. The 090 doesn't have 137cc and a aluminum cast muffler for nothing.

Willard.
 
Well now Willard I won't dispute the fact that an 090 is a tough old buzzard .However it wasn't the only saw ever made that can make sustained long cuts with no ill effects .

FWIW I've ran as much as over 3 gallons of fuel per day through my old 125 Macs and they never missed a beat .That proves however that on punishing work there is no substitution for displacement .
 
stig said:
Having one may generate the need.
Because the foresters around here know that I have a 880 and bars up to 60", I'm the one they call, when they have something really big, that needs felling.
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I'm in the same boat except I have a 3120 and 60" bar instead :)

Al Smith said:
Well discounting the gear drives and most likely a surprise to many that really isn't entirely true .If you take take two modern large saws ,880 Stihl and 3120 Huskey and compare them to like sized classics they weigh about the same .In addition to those two add the 2100Homelite like my avatar and the Mac 125 they all are within a pound and a few ounces of one another .
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I agree. Although not a big old saw fan I do have an 070 copy and have picked up a lot of older, larger saws. To me the 3120 feels just as heavy as any of them.

I've brought up the old 3120/880 weights before on another forum and am always surprised how many people say "Oh but my pappy used to run an old Mac all day logging and he didn't complain etc etc". Hey I could throw a 3120 around all day no worries (I have before for over a week felling and had to carry it miles up hills all day) but just because it can be done doesn't mean that these old school guys ever found it easy. They did it because they had to so they could eat.
 
I can't recall how heavy a regular 090 feels when you lift it, but my 090G is way heavier than my 880. Of course that includes the full gear oil tank and gears, so it maybe gets put in a special category...'saws for Conan', or something. What really made me write about the older saws being heavier, is I think my 076 is heavier too. They are all at the shop, so just going by memory.
 
The 090 was just kind of in a class by itself .I've ran a couple and those in stock trim just walked through stuff with ease. All that displacement worked well for them . You had to lean on them pretty hard to get them off the governer .

Now the one I got my hot little hands on that was reworked by Ken Dunn was fast ,that I will admit . The others were not all that quick just kind of pulled like Georgia mules .
 
HolmenTree said:
After 5 minutes WOT through these paper rolls a 880 or a 3120XP's steel muffler would be red hot. The 090 doesn't have 137cc and a aluminum cast muffler for nothing.

Willard.
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I thought the 088's and MS880's I have seen had a cast aluminum muffler. List it looks like cast something.
 
Al Smith said:
The 090 was just kind of in a class by itself .I've ran a couple and those in stock trim just walked through stuff with ease. All that displacement worked well for them . You had to lean on them pretty hard to get them off the governer .

Now the one I got my hot little hands on that was reworked by Ken Dunn was fast ,that I will admit . The others were not all that quick just kind of pulled like Georgia mules .
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Yeah if you had to pick one heavy saw it would definately be the 090 and it is very heavy. That is the only old saw I've picked up that is definately heavier than my 3120 although my 070 feels nearly as heavy, not much more than my big Husky though.
They are a good lugging saw thats for sure. Not quick when stock but will pull anything.
 
HolmenTree said:
I was thinking old school......084. I guess the 880s learned a trick from the big brother 090.

Willard.
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I figured you were talking 084 ;).

Look at the new MS880 muffler on page 5 of this IPL and you will see they went back to a 2 piece and bolt on muffler. Wonder if back to steel?
The way the old 088-880 clipped on was horrible design IMHO.

NEW MS880 IPL and older 880 ipl
 
I had my 880 out today, felling some big oaks, and remembering this thread I checked the muffler.
It is steel!
 
Al Smith said:
I'll bet if you did a little work on that steel muffler it wouldn't glow like Rudolphs nose .
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Al that 084 called the beast has been running a 50" buried in hardwoods for a living now doing extend long ripping cuts.
I sent it out with the muffler that had 2 holes in the front at his request and the oem exhaust hole on side enlarged. I set the saw up 4 stroking big time ( sounded horrible :what:) and to clear up in the cut the way that 166 is in the video.
He called the other day and said that saw is a beast and the 50" isnt slowing it down any.
No problems with any over heated muffler that can breath with triple outlets :D.

I relayed the info to Mr. combs to not change a thing.
 
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