Gross, profit, wages,ratio.

[No_Bivy]

We work on average 300 days per year, thats only about a 1300 dollar a day average.

Using subs you are giving money away, you need employee's not another guys business to support.

300 days per year..BS. ya'll dont get rain, or wind, or snow, or just shat?

 

[squisher]

Yah, you must be working straight through some weekends then? 52 weeks per year = 104 days off if you were working five days a week every week. Which I don't, and have no desire to.

 

[treetx]

I might agree on a hired gun to do a difficult or specialized job, but using subs to man your business for day in and day out operations is giving his business away.

Maybe not if you are in business to make money. Subs can be a great tool. Many times a much more attractive alternative to being capital intensive.

Of course if you are already capital intensive, that capital had better be paying for itself.

 

[No_Bivy]

there is a difference in a BIllable day vs. a working day with no pay though

 

[top hopper]

A 10% profit margin is actually excellent.

Most companies would be lucky to see 3-5 %, and rarely expect more than that.

 

[Mr. Sir]

We work on average 300 days per year...

Yup, that sounds fishy to me too.


Get it? Fishy? Haha, I kill me sometimes.

 

[Wagnaw]

You guys keep up the preachin'!! Cause I'm a listenin'!

I hear what you're saying Dark...

I ran tree service in Carrolton Ga and i constantly undercharged.
I was only 20 years old and very green.
After a couple years all my equipment was worthless and i was broke.
Im trying really hard not to let that happen again, it sneaks up on you.

I've been really self conscious about falling into this kind of hole. Both of my parents ran their own businesses, and never charged enough. Then I've found myself doing it sometimes. It's hard when you're starting out, and not really good at figuring the costs into your work yet. Especially, when work is not always consistent, and you have to account for down time when you're figuring out costs per day, etc...

I mean.... when I first started out, I did up all these fancy spreadsheets, itemizing my costs not anticipating much work, per day, 3 day week, 3 weeks a month, yada yada... Only to have it all go out the window when there's only one job a week. How the heck do you budget for THAT!???!!

I give ya'll props for all the figuring it takes to organize all that properly, AND get the work to back it up.

 

[Jonseredbred]

300 days per year..BS. ya'll dont get rain, or wind, or snow, or just shat?

Uh, yah. 6 days a week for the most part. If we didnt work in the weather we would starve.

 

[No_Bivy]

impressive.... but unrealistic here.

 

[Jonseredbred]

No choice for us up here, if we became a fair weather tree biz my gross would be down to $35 or $40.00 per year.

 

[No_Bivy]

whats up with your web site? dont come up.

 

[Jonseredbred]

The guy who was web hosting it seems to have taken my money but not paid whoever he was supposed to pay for the domain registration.

Seems no one can find him, go figure.

I am kinda lost on how to get it back.

 

[darkstar]

Well i can say one dang thing for my fellows they dont miss any rainy day weather.
I give it to my main man , hes a bad ass tree man.
It rained 10 days befor during and after christmas and they didnt skip a lick.
New years day and frigging christmas eve.Bustin it.
Give it up for the J man.
We call him the General.
Maybe im the one working for him. Arrgggg.



I learned a fair bit on this thread.
I think here , we dont fix something thats not broke.
Happy New Years agains Tree folk.
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