Base Tie Rescue System/Kit

[bonner1040]

Here is video detailing and demonstrating a safe, simple, compact, and affordable rescue system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byhVP7f6CwI

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This system can be used to lower an injured climber in the event of an emergency. With proper setup it can be used for both SRT and DRT climbing systems.

The lightweight components in this system make for a compact, easily stow-able package that is quick to deploy while still being appropriately rated for the application. Using appropriate components you can utilize this technique with equipment you already have but may find that 12-14mm ropes do not create as streamlined of a kit.

Complete Kits available soon.

100' or 200' of 10mm Teufelberger Sirius Reep Schnur with a sewn eye on one end
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=2071


1x Climbing Technology Rescue 8
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=1351

1x small Weaver Rope Bag

2x Climbing Technology Oval Carabiner
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=130&item=1977

1x Phoenix "Red & White" Hand Pruner
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=48&item=2035

1x Weaver Pruner Holster
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=48&item=1234


(Availiable with Petzl Rig Self Braking Descender or Petzl GriGri2 substituted for Rescue 8
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=1549
https://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?item=1730

 

[Jack]

 

[CurSedVoyce]

Simple is good.. Well done Nick

 

[Burnham]

Well done. That's a good system.

 

[bonner1040]

Thanks!

The system was originally shared with me by Dave McNeil (dMc). I have been using it for a while now, I have never had to implement a rescue but the setup is minimal and the bag is light. All of our crew is trained on it and we have done two demonstrations with actual rope cuts, it is an easy way to offer additional safety without a bunch of hassle or stuff to carry around.

 

[ClimbMIT]

Simple is good! I like it.

 

[MasterBlaster]

What he said!

 

[bonner1040]

I will post back when Luke has the production kit finalized. Of course anyone can assemble a kit like this out of components they already have, but what we put together is small and it works really well.

 

[No_Bivy]

Only problem with that plan is if injured climber has their lanyard on something........then your going to get them

Truthfully, I think these type of systems/plan will not pan out in a true rescue situation . I am also not a big fan of your life support being anchored to base of tree......to much potential for bad to happen for me personally

I think a better plan is to leave a rope fixed in the tree allowing quick access to climber. Just my opinion .......carry on

 

[bonner1040]

Bivy,

Thanks for your input, like you I look for limitations in this or any system I evaluate. A base tie rescue isnt a be all end all for rescue options. Although, considering that a lot of climbers (myself included) already base tie for most of the trees they climb having an option of rescuing them from the ground isnt a negative.

I have always been of the mindset that "climbers spend a bunch of time setting up base tie rescues and then never need it! Why go through all that each day for nothing?" I keep my base tie rescue kit in my bag, its dedicated and isnt used for anything else. Its always in my bag and my bag is always by the tree I am climbing. Since I already set a basetie (another discussion) installing 2 butterfly knots takes me an extra 3 seconds, call it a minute since I have to untie them whenI am done.

In the event that I need rescuing and am not lanyard in a system like this has you on the ground in less than a minute. Since suspension trauma (references below) can set in within 5-7 minutes and kill you in 10-30 time is of the essence. Most rescues take 30-45 minutes (thats a company stat and we use bucket trucks and spurs.)

It stands to reason, that while most chainsaw injuries occur while lanyarded in, that in some cases a cut climber could unsnap his lanyard at the lesast. It also stands to reason that a lot of injuries happen from falls, swings, and falling debris while climbing. It would, to me, be a shame to have someone have to climb up to rescue me after I got knocked out from falling deadwood, climbing with a base tie and no butterfly knots.

There are countless other scenarios where a ground based rescue doesnt play out, as well as many car accident related injuries that seat belts dont prevent. To it makes sense to have a plan in place and dedicated equipment to carry it out. Having a second climbing rope with trunk wraps, a rescue kit, or leaving access lines in the tree are all good ideas regardless of whether you climb SRT or DRT.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2658225/
http://www.tagsafety.com/gfx/library/st-handout.pdf

 

[No_Bivy]

I'm not saying don't do it, but if your guys on ground only know that.....
....a access line is quick and works where that set up wont.

No doubt that the number one way to rescue is to avoid the accident. Second is to self rescue.....third is to pray our back plan happens quick enough.

 

[Appalachian]

Hi guys, Since I arrived here at the tree house via a comment / general invitation on another site (not to me personally) from Nick I figured I
would post on one of his threads for my first post....

After observing this forum for a while it appears to be filled with nice, laid back, respectful people. I have gotten into the habit of
just being a reader on other forums and not participating due to overbearing, know it all attitudes of a few. So here goes....

A question / idea about the above setup (please don't take this the wrong way because I've seen your videos and you are far more skilled than I)....
If you incorporate a flat strap and choke the base of the tree, with a rescue 8 clipped to it and hard lock your climbing line to the 8, you could get by not cutting the primary line. Just unlock the 8.
None of the other stuff would be necessary?

The strap choked around the base with a figure 8 hard locked is how i like to set my floating false crotch ddrt btw.
So it can work for either setup ddrt or srt.

A strap, rescue 8, and carabiner is a pretty simple base tie/rescue system. If the tree is too tall to fully recover the climber- incorporate a prusik above the rescue 8 to relieve the rope below the prusik and then tie a dbl figure 8 on the climbing line and use another rope attached to it.

Another topic- I got a HH coming tommorow primarily based on your reviews. Will post up some ?'s for ya in your other thread on the HH - I'm totally new to SRT.

 

[bonner1040]

Hey man, welcome!

What you describe certainly works. For me, cutting my line is irrelevant. I have never needed a rescue yet so my line hasnt HAD to be cut, but if a rescue comes to pass, by all means cut that rope!

Having hardware; figure 8, porty, etc all work and provide reliable, safe function. They also add weight to pull your system away when you slack it off in the tree. What drew me to this system was that I didnt need anything (unless I needed the rescue). When I am climbing I dont anticipate needing a rescue, as a result I am looking for a system with the least amount of hardware on the tree, a fast reaction time, and controlled safe execution.

The Treestuff system is perfect. It does exactly what it is supposed to do. There is no quicker setup, its minimal in size and bulk and its safe. If anyone ever has to be rescued I dont think they will have any regrets about snipping 10' or so off their line.

All that being said, there are tons of variants and systems to choose from, whats most important is that the climber and the crew are comfortable with whatever they are using.

Whats your first name Appalachian? My memory isnt so hot, where did I recommend the House to you at?

 

[emr]

I thought this set up is excellent. I love the idea of no biners at the base of the tree to get cross loaded or hit by falling debris. I go about 50% basal tie and 50% choked TIP tie when SRT. I think this may become my basal tie off of choice.

There is no one perfect method in terms of rescue, but that's true for DDRT as well.

Nice vid Nick. Was it your idea to do these vids for Treestuff or Luke's? Nice work either way.

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[bonner1040]

Thanks Eric.

Making the tech tip videos is something I have wanted to do for a while.

 

[Appalachian]

Hi Nick,

My name is Kelly.
As I said you didn't invite me personally but it was a rather open invitation I read somewhere can't remember where.
Maybe youtube or TB or AS
On TB I go by Fernhorn.

 

[Jack]

Welcome, Kelly (Appalachian)!

Give it time ... low & slow ... you're gonna love SRT!

 

[rskybiz]

Welcome Kelly

Joel

 

[MasterBlaster]

Welcome to the TreeHouse, Kelly. I'd sure like to know what website allowed invitations to the TreeHouse - AS and TB hates this place. You can't even type my name at AS, lol.

Glad to have you here, make yourself at home!

 

[bonner1040]

I do what I want MB

 

[MasterBlaster]

HuH?

 

[bonner1040]

In regards to taking about the tree house

 

[MasterBlaster]

Ahhh...do that at AS and you'll get banned toot sweet. TB will let you get away with it...

 

[ClimbMIT]

Welcome Kelly! My name is Mark. There are some good guys here! Lots of good info and knowledge. I also browse and talk on other forums a long with many others here too. Master Blaster is cool guy he just likes to start trouble other places I am just kidding MB

 

[bstewert]

A great deal of time and effort is spent on base tie rescues, especially at the comps. I'm wondering if anyone here has ever seen, or even heard of, such a rescue. Also, how many have actually practiced such a thing with a real live person on the other end?