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I have the cmi foot ascender and like it a lot. And no, that's not what I mean by a knock off.... That's a totally different design. I also have to old style pantin and don't use it anymore in favor of my cmi. Again, don't get me wrong. Knock off are cool.... It's always nice to have options...

The PAW and rings are definitely knock offs in my opinion. They were items that someone else invented and you guys sourced out and made minor tweaks to. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing..... Just depends on how you market them. I think what you did with the Rings was totally...

Any chance you could put up a list of your American sourced products? Did you try and find a source for the Petzl Pantin style ascender that was in the US? It would be huge if you sourced all of your knock offs from American companies. And I don't mean to be disrespectful by using the term...