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wtf?

As you say, Kyle. And even in that scenario, a talented, cool headed operator with a smooth touch on the joysticks and pedals could have salvaged things earlier, I believe. Panic is a disease there is no vaccine for...you only escape it's ravages if you can control your emotions and focus on...

Ain't that the truth :D. I recall watching a Komatsu 270 slide, slowly, down a very gently inclined two lane asphalted Forest Service road coated with thin black ice. Slid for at least 150 feet. Every movement the op made to swing the arm and bucket into a place to negate the slide, just...

Gary...have you ever heard of "corduroy road"? Jerry B. will know :D. Might serve in some instances.

Good point. Perhaps one could use more than one Havens, linked, to spread the load...still could be much cheaper.

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