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Yes Sean, ha. Had all of those bad traction conditions plus thick duff. I was trying to back grinder uphill. What I thought would be easy ended up being unworkable without a much larger tractor pushing.

Sean, grab hold of an old trailer of some type that weighs 3 to 5 thousand pounds and try pushing it around in ways to replicate real life situations. Pushing up hill etc.. I have been suprised how easily even a steel tracked JD 450 couldn't push a 4 or 5K lb stump grinder where I wanted it...