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30 years selling tree work has taught me a valuable lesson or two. #1. sell to people that want to buy what you've got.. don't waste your time trying to convince someone that doesn't.... instead use that time to find people that do.

exactly... one in 1000, or maybe 1 in 5000... on the othert hand the conversation has led to a new idea that can be used to prevent BBC in a quick, easy and reliable manner... no coos bay needed

next time anyone here is dropping a front leaner, 22" diameter at the cut, let us know how you make out time wise. easy to video and listen to the saw for start and stop times..

This thread also gave me a new idea... Simple method for preventing BBC.... should be near 100% effective and easier than a notch and plunge cut... might be especially effective in the woods.. I;ll have to give it some thought and experimentation...

yes it did... looks can be deceiving though... I was a little concerned something was going to come back at me... it was too dead and too tall for the whole top to rotate back.. something could have taken a funny hit and bounced back though.. That was a white oak it dropped into. Only broke 1...

cutting techniques need to be revolutionized. I've done it.. think of all the advances in climbing techniques and gear in the past 20 years vs how much cutting techniques have changed.. Was it you that used to put stump shot on every fall, cause that's how you were trained in the woods until...

Me too... and I think the application of the knowledge is best applied to fine tuning cutting techniques at height.. LOL... you guys just don't get it... at least you learned something from this thread eh? That could be a regional difference... I've never seen one over 10'.. probably due...

Why is it unpredictable? physics is the one constant we all live or die by. Its only unpredictable because none of us have enough experience with BBC co-doms to understand the physics to the level of certainty that's we'd stake our lives on.. I'd like to change that... gonna take ripping apart a...

And of course we'll all have our disagreements and different view points... A little intelligent conversation is all I was hoping for... maybe that's too much to ask of an online forum.. about all there is out there though..

I love you all.... we all have sawdust in our pockets and share the common goal of coming home safe. anyone that's done it long enough to comment here has my admiration and respect.. there's a lot of ways to make a living... this one takes a special kind...

on the other hand empirical observation is a great tool for tree work... I've watched the BBC in that day at the office a couple dozen times, sometimes, frame by frame. It's unfortunate that the music drowns out the audio of the tree splitting... audio provides some great tells for tree vids..

What is scientific in this industry (whichever industry you're in) science only goes so far around here.. no formula can replace experience, knowledge, understanding and instinct. trust your gut and live to tell the story.

He turned to look up and ran into the stump behind him... if it had come down on the other side of the tree it would have been close.. if he had run without looking back he'd have cleared it no matter what.. think we debated the look up and dodge vs run for your life already...

Scott, 'were you around when I had to explain to the "experts" here that the BBC in this vid was caused by a bypass face (unintentional dutchman)....

I;ve never seen one over 10'.. see what I'm'a sayin.. now we can;t even agree on what a BBC is..

Thank you Roger!

Shigo was widely ridiculed when he first started teaching CODIT and target cuts.. he was just about thrown out of Germany... I talked to his colleagues in NH about it. People in this industry seem to have fixed viewpoints. This is right and that is wrong.. PERIOD.. with so much diversity between...

Thanks for your concern...

do I look like a logger to you?.. its a much different game.. get the wood on and off the truck.. get to the next job...

what do you think ended up happening to that piece?