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Guess they don't do much halal and schächten out your way.
We took cows to the processing plant from time to time when I was growing up.I remember once, my dad and I went in the back to watch them kill the cow. I was surprised the guy took an old single-shot .22, put a short in it, and POP!...the cow flopped on her side. I did hear in later years, they had one that DIDN'T flop, but instead, broke out of the holding pen and tore through the front of the store...a .22 short requires a bit of precision in penetrating a cow's skull it seems.
Maybe we need a wildlife thread, cuz this aint a hunting story but its cool:
Snowmachiner says he and buddies dug moose out of avalanche in Hatcher Pass
Sean Doogan
January 1, 2015
Snowmachiners Rob Uphus and Marty Mobley, along with Avery Vucinich (not pictured), found a moose buried in an avalanche at Hatcher Pass on Dec. 28. After they freed the moose, it ran away and appeared to be dazed but uninjured, Mobley said.
Avery Vucinich
A moose caught in an avalanche in Hatcher Pass may have three passing snowmachiners to thank for making it into the new year.
The men dug the moose -- a young cow, they think -- out of the snow, apparently unharmed, after it was caught in an avalanche Dec. 28. One of the men, Marty Mobley, 44, said the moose probably caused the slide that swallowed it and that without the group's help, it would not have survived.
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"There was just enough of its snout sticking above the snow that it could breathe," Mobley said.
Mobley said he and friends Rob Uphus, 30, and Avery Vucinich, 27 -- all of them Valley residents -- had gone snowmachining on the Willow side of Hatcher Pass, about 55 miles northeast of Anchorage, in an area known to locals as "God's Country." They rode carefully, he said, because of the constant fear of avalanches. Mobley's best friend, Aaron Arthur, was killed along with five others while snowmachining in Turnagain Pass on March 21, 1999.
They saw a small bowl covered in moose tracks. Ski tracks were also easy to spot -- something Mobley said he doesn't often see in the area.
"We figured we scared the moose off and saw his tracks go up the side and over the crest," Mobley said.
About an hour later, coming back through the same area, the trio saw an avalanche had come down in the bowl, obliterating both the moose and ski tracks. Mobley said the men were worried a skier got caught in the slide, so they took a closer look, nervous about the possibility of more avalanches.
"We had about 2,500 feet of mountain above us still," Mobley said. "Half slid, half didn’t, so we didn’t want to screw around a bunch there."
Mobley said as he got closer, he could see something brown and moving sticking above the hard-packed snow of the avalanche debris field.
"It looked like a guy's arm at first because we were expecting to see a skier," Mobley said. "But it was moaning and groaning and moving and we realized it was a moose, even though only his ears and some of its snout was sticking out of the snow."
Mobley said the men grabbed their shovels and began to dig the moose out of the snow. Mobley said it didn’t move as they worked and even seemed to get calmer as they cleared snow away. Mobley said two men dug while the other served as an avalanche lookout.
"It didn’t even fight us," Mobley said. "It was like, 'Help me. Help me.' It was totally docile and let us touch it. It just (lay) there," Mobley said.
After about 10 minutes of digging, Mobley said, the men were able to free about three-quarters of the animal and weren't sure if it was injured. So one of the men gently poked the moose's backside with a shovel.
"It stood right up and towered over us, because we were in kind of a hole from the digging," Mobley said. "It looked like the abominable snowman because its fur was so packed with snow and it looked at us, shook the snow off it, and off it went."
Mobley said the moose was "at full steam" when it ran down the mountain and appeared to be completely uninjured, something that surprised the men.
"It slid at least 1,500 to 2,000 feet down the mountain when it got caught in the avalanche," Mobley said.
Mobley said the trio look on their moose rescue as an act that they hope will be repaid by nature as they continue to ride their snowmachines in Alaska's often unpredictable backcountry.
"I am an animal lover, and I couldn’t leave it there," Mobley said. "Besides, we deal with a lot of avalanches and a lot of snow. That kind of karma is something we don’t pass up."
Snowmachiner says he and buddies dug moose out of avalanche in Hatcher Pass
Sean Doogan
January 1, 2015
Snowmachiners Rob Uphus and Marty Mobley, along with Avery Vucinich (not pictured), found a moose buried in an avalanche at Hatcher Pass on Dec. 28. After they freed the moose, it ran away and appeared to be dazed but uninjured, Mobley said.
Avery Vucinich
A moose caught in an avalanche in Hatcher Pass may have three passing snowmachiners to thank for making it into the new year.
The men dug the moose -- a young cow, they think -- out of the snow, apparently unharmed, after it was caught in an avalanche Dec. 28. One of the men, Marty Mobley, 44, said the moose probably caused the slide that swallowed it and that without the group's help, it would not have survived.
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"There was just enough of its snout sticking above the snow that it could breathe," Mobley said.
Mobley said he and friends Rob Uphus, 30, and Avery Vucinich, 27 -- all of them Valley residents -- had gone snowmachining on the Willow side of Hatcher Pass, about 55 miles northeast of Anchorage, in an area known to locals as "God's Country." They rode carefully, he said, because of the constant fear of avalanches. Mobley's best friend, Aaron Arthur, was killed along with five others while snowmachining in Turnagain Pass on March 21, 1999.
They saw a small bowl covered in moose tracks. Ski tracks were also easy to spot -- something Mobley said he doesn't often see in the area.
"We figured we scared the moose off and saw his tracks go up the side and over the crest," Mobley said.
About an hour later, coming back through the same area, the trio saw an avalanche had come down in the bowl, obliterating both the moose and ski tracks. Mobley said the men were worried a skier got caught in the slide, so they took a closer look, nervous about the possibility of more avalanches.
"We had about 2,500 feet of mountain above us still," Mobley said. "Half slid, half didn’t, so we didn’t want to screw around a bunch there."
Mobley said as he got closer, he could see something brown and moving sticking above the hard-packed snow of the avalanche debris field.
"It looked like a guy's arm at first because we were expecting to see a skier," Mobley said. "But it was moaning and groaning and moving and we realized it was a moose, even though only his ears and some of its snout was sticking out of the snow."
Mobley said the men grabbed their shovels and began to dig the moose out of the snow. Mobley said it didn’t move as they worked and even seemed to get calmer as they cleared snow away. Mobley said two men dug while the other served as an avalanche lookout.
"It didn’t even fight us," Mobley said. "It was like, 'Help me. Help me.' It was totally docile and let us touch it. It just (lay) there," Mobley said.
After about 10 minutes of digging, Mobley said, the men were able to free about three-quarters of the animal and weren't sure if it was injured. So one of the men gently poked the moose's backside with a shovel.
"It stood right up and towered over us, because we were in kind of a hole from the digging," Mobley said. "It looked like the abominable snowman because its fur was so packed with snow and it looked at us, shook the snow off it, and off it went."
Mobley said the moose was "at full steam" when it ran down the mountain and appeared to be completely uninjured, something that surprised the men.
"It slid at least 1,500 to 2,000 feet down the mountain when it got caught in the avalanche," Mobley said.
Mobley said the trio look on their moose rescue as an act that they hope will be repaid by nature as they continue to ride their snowmachines in Alaska's often unpredictable backcountry.
"I am an animal lover, and I couldn’t leave it there," Mobley said. "Besides, we deal with a lot of avalanches and a lot of snow. That kind of karma is something we don’t pass up."
FireFighterZero
Captain Zero!
That is pretty dam cool Cory.
I did say in my post that slaughterhouses screw up sometimes. Knowing some dumb hunters over the years would make me think twice about how humane some of those guys are. Meat is meat.
Anyway, anyone ever think about how terrifying it must be to be a pinto bean? I mean geeze, cut down in its prime, removed from its family and processed through a combine? I shudder to think.
I did say in my post that slaughterhouses screw up sometimes. Knowing some dumb hunters over the years would make me think twice about how humane some of those guys are. Meat is meat.
Anyway, anyone ever think about how terrifying it must be to be a pinto bean? I mean geeze, cut down in its prime, removed from its family and processed through a combine? I shudder to think.
FireFighterZero
Captain Zero!
Asshole. HA! I fixed it. I got it off auto correct.
Okay, i am kind sensitive when it comes to agribusiness. We know that.
I am just not sure that we deserve the ALL of the bad reputation. I have worked in a slaughterhouse. We strove to kill animals quickly and as humanely as possible. Hunters do too, but i have butchered some gut shot animals for people. They were lucky they recovered them.
Actually the old method of breaking the animals head with a maul was just as sure as a bolt gun, more so according to the old timers. Often times it was a huge black man that would swing the maul all day. He had to be amazingly tough.
Okay, i am kind sensitive when it comes to agribusiness. We know that.
I am just not sure that we deserve the ALL of the bad reputation. I have worked in a slaughterhouse. We strove to kill animals quickly and as humanely as possible. Hunters do too, but i have butchered some gut shot animals for people. They were lucky they recovered them.
Actually the old method of breaking the animals head with a maul was just as sure as a bolt gun, more so according to the old timers. Often times it was a huge black man that would swing the maul all day. He had to be amazingly tough.
Tucker943
Bamboo Plantation Owner
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My point wasn't to bash workers in the slaughterhouse. I support any honest hard work. I'm mocking the type that thinks game killed by a hunter is cruel, and that the filet they had with dinner last night came from a cow that died happily in its sleep at a slaughterhouse somewhere. People like to avoid facts to keep from feeling hypocritical. Death is death and when it comes to the meat industry, a small peaceful injection where the animal drifts off peacefully like a dog at the vet, just doesn't happen.
FireFighterZero
Captain Zero!
Gotcha!
I have not been around those kinds of people.
I do suppose that there is information on the internet that a person can cite to make them feel better about anything. Even peaceful died in their sleep cows! I can see it now. Died of natural causes meat. Which of course means starvation in the animal kingdom.
I love a good discussion, even if I dont know whats going on, which is often!
I have not been around those kinds of people.
I do suppose that there is information on the internet that a person can cite to make them feel better about anything. Even peaceful died in their sleep cows! I can see it now. Died of natural causes meat. Which of course means starvation in the animal kingdom.
I love a good discussion, even if I dont know whats going on, which is often!
You're right in the thick of it Jim. I think this notion of peaceful slaughter come more from the people closest to the coasts. One of my favorite things to do during season is to walk into the local Espresso shop in full camo after a hunt. People turn inside out. When I'm in Upstate NY or CO, you generally don't see anything but hunting attire at the local restaurant.
woodworkingboy
TreeHouser
Unless there is a chance that some wild west gang could come riding into the supermarket, that seems very lame.
Limbrat
TreeHouser
As a teenager I wore a sidearm for shooting snakes when I went fishing and thought nothing of walking into a store with it on. Nobody ever gave me a second glance. Armed robbery, kidnapping and the like are virtually nonexistent here because thugs know that the odds are good they'll wind up in the obituary column. One of the local churches here just had camouflage day and nobody had to buy any. Welcome to the south Jay. Heaven on earth.
MasterBlaster
Administrator Emeritus
Cool post, Cory. 
woodworkingboy
TreeHouser
Ray, just curious, is that the reason that you wore your gun into a store, in case of the chance that someone wanted to rob the joint while you were in there? Do you think that if there was a cop in the store, say an undercover one buying peanuts or something, if he saw someone walk in wearing a gun, would he likely give it a second thought? Lots of crazy people in the USA, what about standing in line and some idiot decides that while you are putting your purchases on the counter, he wants to make your gun go bang? I haven't studied the issues, but concealed carry seems to eliminate a few potential problems if you feel the need for protection in public.
I'm just trying to get a line on the pros and cons of wearing a gun into a store, if there are any. It seems that open carry in a public place like a store would be illegal in some states.
I'm just trying to get a line on the pros and cons of wearing a gun into a store, if there are any. It seems that open carry in a public place like a store would be illegal in some states.
Limbrat
TreeHouser
Jay I wasn't concerned about about me or the store being robbed, I was wearing when I drove up and saw no need to disarm. You don't see it that often these days, but nobody's alarmed in this area when they see a gun in a public place. Probably 70% of the population here hunts and there is no "oh my God, he's got a gun" reaction to firearms. Cops around here wouldn't think twice about seeing someone wearing a handgun in a store but I'm sure open carrying in Orlando or Miami on your way to the woods would probably get you in trouble. Concealed carry has great advantages in certain situations and I definitely wouldn't open carry just to stir the pot as I see some people do. The American media has demonized guns and made it politically incorrect to own one and I'm proud to live in an area that doesn't give a hoot about political correctness. Thanks to Janet Reno, since 1987 in Florida, you can only legally open carry in public going to and from hunting or fishing and in your business and you're right, each states' laws are different.
Jay, I was only responding to Chris' post about people getting married in camo....it's small-town USA....folks have their own way of doing things. Getting married in camo no doubt blows some folks' minds (I don't care for it, but each to his own). Alabama has an open-carry law. One can open-carry if they wish, with only certain areas off-limits (federal/state buildings, etc). I myself, am not a proponent of open-carry, as I figure if a nut-job is planning to shoot up a restaurant, etc, the first one(s) he'll cap are those open-carrying. I prefer concealed, so no one has any idea that I am carrying.
woodworkingboy
TreeHouser
Thanks for elaborating, both posts. The media can make the general public fearful of about anything, I've seen it here with knives now, the carry length reduced to something absurd. One incident caused that. Funny how some people don't know to be afraid of something that has been around them all their lives with no trouble, until the media tells them that new laws are needed for protection. Like sheep....
Tucker943
Bamboo Plantation Owner
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I feel as though open carrying fuels the fire of anti gun folks. Why do it? I won't hide that I am a sportsman for anyone. But I won't display a firearm right in strangers faces. It makes some people uncomfortable. That's their problem. Until they invest themselves into anti gun campaigns. Then, its my problem. So to make things easy, if I ever chose to carry a gun in public, I would conceal it. Then, I could have the gun, and not fuel my opponents at the same time.
Limbrat
TreeHouser
Oh my god!
Are sheep dangerous?
I didn't know that, we should outlaw them immediately.
FireFighterZero
Captain Zero!
Tonight at Ten, Denmark outlaws sheep.
Back to you Diane.
Back to you Diane.
CurSedVoyce
California Hillbilly
Limbrat
TreeHouser
No, if they're dangerous, kill them all!
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