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Thanks guys. Butch, going to give soccer pads a try. Sounds like the smartest thing I tend to scramble around on the ground like an ape when cleaning up and chainsawing, stumping , shrub pruning and stuff. Thanks all.

Tried the cheapos.work great but go flat quickly Tried mid range bit mor than double the price but don't stay put and strap system is uncomfortable Anyone with a good recommendation.