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A lot of our produce comes from far and wide? Always thought the lettuce tasted shitty. Actually we have a giant lettuce factory going in not to far from me. 60million investment. Vegpro project.

Nahhh. Don't be a deadbeat. Get a haircut. :multi:

That's right. How could I forget that. :?

Yeowtch. I'm zone 5 I think.

You got porcupine out there heh? Yah they can strip a tree like no tomorrow.

Do you have a plum tree Jim? Plums are dead easy and hardy as can be.

He's a bit tough to understand(heavy accent) but he said the new hybrids are what he grows. That I know from seeing his other orchard(I drive by it) are those little twig orchard trees that they plant really high density. Orchards are big here.

There is plenty of vineyards around. Seems they favour the hillsides more? I'm pretty flat. But yah I'm in the north okanagan, and the okanagan valley itself up here is quite renounded for its wine production. The new orchardist in behind swears I should do apples. Three years in the ground...

That's what I think! The property right behind me sold and they are turning all fifteen acres of it into orchard like right now. They ain't planting no test trees. Lol.

So I am going to go ahead with a no till plot. Im currently gathering a crap ton of cardboard to lay down first, then layering with manure, compost, woodchips, straw, and any other organic I can find. When I get my board together and lay it down I'll grab a few pics to show what I'm up to...

Big difference between commercial ag till vs no till vs and market gardening till vs no till I think. From what I've derived of vegetable gardening no till, it is going to be done organically whether certified or not. Permaculture is what I've been reading on a lot. My parents are coming over...

Organic and no till go hand in hand from what I've been learning.

Yah. That makes sense. It would allow me to leave it as part of my hay for now too. I wonder if I still took the hay off it this year if I could graze it down intensively after the last cut, then top dress my beds with my nice compost and plant in garlic?

I should clarify too I just rent a pounder so I line up all the posts I want to do ahead of time and lay it all out. Bang it out on a Saturday to Monday rental(free day!). So that's why it's a plan for me. I need to do everything I'm doing in that two day window. I loathe renting tools but...

I have been considering how to do it. Fencing plan is plan in general. I have a bunch of fencing I am doing regardless. If I do fence off the garden area I'm going to make it the size of the adjacent pasture that I'm fencing anyways. I also am doing perimeter fencing on my roadside as the last...

To update my little garden. I've sent out soil samples and I'm starting to lay out my fencing plan. Now to go no-till and get some garlic in this fall it seems my option is to use a plastic or landscape type fabric and cover the areas I want my beds. Then pull them up this fall and add my...

Go Jim!8)

Yes. Thanks for piping in with your dirty comments Jim. :D

Yah. I don't know or fully understand yet if no till is going to be the answer. But I know that no rush is. I'm going to study some before I do anything hasty. I had the one experienced man come over, next week I'm going to hopefully connect with the ministry lady, and also at the end of the...

Thanks. I'll do that. I have inspected my soil myself. But with no real scientific process or understanding of what I was looking at. I've learned almost enough to realize how little I know. But almost not quite enough for that even. :whine: ive been reading a bunch about permaculture. But...