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Thread: Who Underbid Me? .... and by How Much? .... Do I have the Job?

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    Spoke with the homeowner again on the 15 pine trees. Gave him my bid. Did say he had 2-3 more look at the job as well. He said he would let me know something one day early in the week. Was going to finalize everything With his wife and neighbors. We will see.
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    Part of the difficulty I have with pricing is living in the country where most people are practical and pretty self sufficient...they do a lot themselves and if you get called in to look at something (usually involving climbing) they can't quite make the switch from 'do it yourself' pricing to 'I have to hire a professional' pricing.

    Also, people who move down here from the mainland for a lifestyle change, once they get to know a local 'do it all handyman' or the new friend's handy husband, also can start to balk at professional pricing when a more complicated job comes along.

    But, then there are those who recognise what they can't do themselves or ask a handyman to do, and just want the job done for a fair price and pay up no worries.
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    It's always better when people get the feeling that they will regret their decision, before they have to regret their decision.

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    Sounds like that could be a description of pretty much anywhere.

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    It's that way here. Big equipment helps( I have none). Bucket, chipper, chip truck, and all that really helps. I guess people look at all that equipment and think that a place is legit and that's who they need to go with. Seems around here no one really asks questions. They just want the job done by the lowest bidder. I know I've never been asked to provide any references or contacts from past jobs. Which kinda makes it tough on the little guy. I guess it's that way in every industry.
    I try to lay out a game plan with potential customs when I'm looking at a job. And do my best to sell what I'm planning on doing. Hopefully something I say will make them think this guy gives a crap about the job more than the others. And that they should go with me.

    Then again I have seen a guy in a dogwood leglocked trimming branches with a 660 so I donno I could be wrong lol
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    Part of your job as the sales person to show them value in properly done tree work, and the protection to them of you being LIB, legitimately.

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    Other than a truck, I have no big equipment.... but I do have orange traffic cones, which I think adds an air of legitimacy (?) ... and, of course general liability insurance.
    - Robert
    Quit city job... Now, slowly learning and doing in general direction of some kind of tree work.

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    What's LIB?

    Ditto on the equipment, now I have a chipper we'll bring it along sometimes on a smaller job just for marketing, only have a few branches to clear and they could just go in the back of the ute, but it looks good. Charge an hourly rate, at least get coffee money, then people see it with my telephone number on it.

    Also cones are good, an inexpensive way to say "I care and am thinking about more than just making a buck'.
    We've also added a slew of traffic signs (had to for Council work, including traffic management plans) they look good too.

    Uniforms of some description and a clipboard with a job sheet...plenty of strategies to separate you from the herd.
    Keep smiling, they will wonder what you're up to...

    Originally Posted by woodworkingboy
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    Default LIB?

    Something to do with liability?

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    I think LIB means licensed, insured, bonded. This always irks me as 99% of people have no clue what a bond is. As far as I know, a bond is a 'completion bond' purchased for a specific project. If you hire a general contractor to put an addition on your house and the job is scheduled for 6 months with a monthly draw for expenses then you need a completion bond. That way if he skips out after 3 months the bond will pay to have the job completed.

    I'm sorry but tree work does not require a completion bond unless you're doing some major long term contract work for government or a huge corporation. Telling a homeowner he needs to hire a bonded tree man is insane and ridiculous. Nevertheless you hear the same tired cliches repeated every year by the talking heads on the local news, as well as people giving you advice that they think is worthwhile. Real tree guys are not bonded unless they land a big government contract like Deva.

    About once every 2-3 years I get some brainiac who thinks he's going to put me on the spot by asking if I'm bonded. After asking him what it means to be bonded I usually explain it to him and then bid high enough on the job that I don't get it. I'm rather picky about who I work for and I'm not willing to work for people who think they need to get something over on me.
    -Brian

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    I get asked on every job, and I have to inform them what a bond means. I never collect a cent until the job is done to their satisfaction, so after they are educated, they say yeah that's good lol.
    Kyle


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