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    What do you guys think of this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwCJM6xEVdc
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    Seems like with a marl/ half-hitch, it would be really secure.

    Is it only possible permanently spliced on?

    Seems like it would be possible to tie to the toggle with a long-hole bowline, if it's sized to fit two strands thru the ring.

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    I've been waiting to see the results from this. I believe this could be great for the 1/2" lines. As Carson stated in the video they are probably the most common used. I'd be interested to see how it compares to the RB as far as breaking strength. Also cycles to failure. We all know that the working end will wear out first and splicing a used rope is a bitch. Maybe make the bigger size or sizes as an option but it's not often that I personally bring out the big guns anymore.
    I honestly love the simplicity of this but need to get a little more info. Good idea for no knot rigging though.
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    It is stronger than RB and puts a lot less wear and friction on the rope.
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    I would assume so but can you post the break test results? If not can you post a link to them? I'm just curious as I'm sure others would be.

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    We only have preliminary results as we have not tooled or produced the final items. I dont have the data in front of me but you can rest assured that we will publish this when we have final production pieces.
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    Nick, I think this is great. I posted on the Youtube vid, but again, I think 1/2" is where you should focus development. A lot of rigging is done on 1/2" lines, and the cats who feel the need for 5/8" and 3/4" lines can take the time to tie the running bowlines in those applications. For rigging out limbs and light dynamic stuff, this would be sweet!

    I like it. 1/2" is totally my vote.

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    Being spliced means that it won't be tight- crotch friendly, and not work well with rigging rings.

    Seems 1/2" is the best application.

    Edit: the toggle could fit through some rings.

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    I like it, Nick. Almost all my rigging is 1/2" so that's where I gravitate.
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    Good idea Nick.

    We use toggle like this regularly in skyline logging. There is a toggle attached to the end of the drop line. The rings are on the end of the chokers opposite end of the nubbins and bells. This makes it easy to take chokers on and off the line. In tree work it would be like having a toggle on the end of your rigging line, and rings on your loop runners. You can put as many loop runners on the line as you need, and take them off when you dont.

    I definitely think 1/2" is the place to start. I think it would also be nice to have the toggle be removable. Shackle between toggle and rope seems the easiest to me, that or a big enough eye in the toggle that it can be girth hitched.

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