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    Friend in town has one, he loves it. If we didn't buy the Thomas and now the Gehl we would pick one up in a heartbeat. Might actually get one here soon since the Thomas burned up, it'd be really handy to have to move chunks and brush in places the Gehl can't get too and get them to a staging area where we could move it with the Gehl.

    As far as making your own vs. buying it, personally, I'd buy one before making one. No need to steal another hard working mans idea. He came up with all the little things that make this cart what it is, and personally it wouldn't feel right building my own modeled after his. That's like instead of buying a Wraptor I get the plans for one and just make it myself, without Paul ever seeing a dime on money from me. I don't think any members here would do that to Paul. We all know how much money and time Paul put into it, and I'm sure he has a lot of pride in it as well. I have a shit load of respect for Reg, talked to him online and at TCIA, and even if he doesn't see any profits from the gear he came up with for Stein, he still has a lot of pride in the fact that he came up with it, its his invention. And personally, if I created that cart, and I saw people fabbing it up on their own, copying the ideas that I invested all my time into, I'd be pissed as well.
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    I suppose I could see someone getting upset if another copied their pattern/idea/etc exactly, but fabbing up something for yourself is just plain fun, as well as financially rewarding at times. I seriously doubt anyone will think I copied their idea with my dolly, anywho.

    Where do you draw the line? Welded/fabricated tools? Splicing? Is it wrong to splice your own stuff when there are folks on here who do it for profit?
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    I draw the line at reproducing them and selling for a profit. All I'm on about is personal stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerdanger View Post
    Friend in town has one, he loves it. If we didn't buy the Thomas and now the Gehl we would pick one up in a heartbeat. Might actually get one here soon since the Thomas burned up, it'd be really handy to have to move chunks and brush in places the Gehl can't get too and get them to a staging area where we could move it with the Gehl.

    As far as making your own vs. buying it, personally, I'd buy one before making one. No need to steal another hard working mans idea. He came up with all the little things that make this cart what it is, and personally it wouldn't feel right building my own modeled after his. That's like instead of buying a Wraptor I get the plans for one and just make it myself, without Paul ever seeing a dime on money from me. I don't think any members here would do that to Paul. We all know how much money and time Paul put into it, and I'm sure he has a lot of pride in it as well. I have a shit load of respect for Reg, talked to him online and at TCIA, and even if he doesn't see any profits from the gear he came up with for Stein, he still has a lot of pride in the fact that he came up with it, its his invention. And personally, if I created that cart, and I saw people fabbing it up on their own, copying the ideas that I invested all my time into, I'd be pissed as well.
    I don't agree at all. You'll struggle to survive in business if you hand money over to every person that ever invented something that you need. I'm not endorsing selling another man's design. But if a ordinary needs a tool, and buying a manufactured version at full retail price isn't in their budget, should they just say heck with it and not have a tool they are in need of? We splice our own ropes, mod our own saws, etc. Is it necessary that we send royalties to the original entities that perfected those ideas?

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    Sorry, guess I should have been more specific. Bonner mentioned he had gotten plans for one, so that's more what I was talking about. Sounded like someone on the buzz had come across the exact plans somehow and was giving them out, so that's kinda what irked me, is making an exact copy of something. Fabbing your own gear is good, but try to put your own twist on it is what I'm trying to say I guess. No need to copy something exactly from detailed plans of the original.
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    We have one. On the right job, it's priceless. The size of timber & volume of brash moved with relative ease is quite impressive
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    I always keep the dolly handy on my chipper dump trailer inside the powerbarrow as the picture shows.
    Moving heavy rounds to the curb is where the dolly shines on level or downhill ground of course. But for loading and carting brush the 27" wide 285 lb Muck Truck 4X4 does all the work whether the ground is level or 35% grade uphill. I install four 2ft long 3/4" stakes inside the 1" orange ones and haul one big load.

    Now to get back to that dream of the Gehl 340 with knuckleboom, just gonna have to build another dump trailer to haul it around.....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterBlaster View Post
    I draw the line at reproducing them and selling for a profit. All I'm on about is personal stuff.
    This is pretty much what happened... I agree, fabbing one up for yourself 'along the same lines' as another is fine, just making a copy for sale for profit is theft.

    Now, Anybody want to make me one????

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangerdanger View Post
    ... Sounded like someone on the buzz had come across the exact plans...
    I'm the Buzz guy and I guess I learned a little lesson in online community. No inside info here just used the few online photos available, draw up some rough dimensions and bubble gum away. I do weekend gigs with my son so it was just a fun project in my spare time that would be useful to us.

    I posted on the Buzz in the spirit of look at this but look at the real deal too that is much higher quality and a great tool. I know how long it took me to figure out, fabricate, plus materials and most just don't have the spare time or interest for that. Buy the Trolley its worth it.

    Unfortunately I forwarded some of my work to someone who I don't know and who I assumed would quietly use my bit of effort for their own benefit. My bad, didn't ask him to keep it for his own use or listen to my gut that said not to pass it along at all. Lesson learned. Great respect for Reg and all the work and creativity he has put in to this and various other devices. Hopefully the thread generates a few more sales...

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    Mike, Ben, Adrian...

    First off, I didnt mean to cause an episode here. I saw a post with pictures of a homemade arbor trolley over at the Buzz in a thread about making your own gear. I PM'd one of the posters asking for dimensions and he sent me some drawings. Definitely not stolen plans or any industrial espionage happenings. Honestly, my friend said he would help me weld it together, the drawings I got, they are definitely nicely drafted and a bit beyond my comprehension.

    After receiving the I posted here, as I like it more here and just pop in at the Buzz, asking what you all guys thought.

    I never had any intention of stealing anyones design and distributing it for profit or in any other way.

    When asked about sharing the plans I figured, hey it was passed willingly to me, so pay it forward right?

    Im not against spending good money on quality tools, quite the opposite actually. I am however thrifty when the opportunity presents itself, and to those that know me a tinkerer at heart. If I have the ability to try and make something that I see for sale somewhere I am likely going to try, often costing me more actually after trial and error.

    If I can go out, have some beers with a friend, pickup some bulk steel and learn a bit about welding, I am going to. If that means I come out of it with a log cart or a new iteration of the APTA than thats what it is.

    Cheers to Reg for all his innovations, being an world class arborist, a world known specialist with big tight quartered removals and, as far as I am concerned a stand up guy. I still dont see it as stealing or doing him any wrong by imitating his design, its just two tires some steel and a torch guys.


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    Oh and Mike - I have been meaning to send you an email thanking you for taking the time to write me such a nice email but I was pretty busy with everything else. Also I really havent looked at the plans in detail yet and wanted to save an email for the questions I thought I would likely have.

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