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No. I usually knock them over with the 660 and buck and limb with the 461. I was actually a bit surprised that I chose the 461 over the 441, usually I don't fall for " rough charm"

The 461 has rubber mounts, so it vibrates more. If you run it all day logging, as I do in season, that makes a difference. Still, I like the way it runs enough to put up with it.

I have both. 441 is very smooth, 461 has a bit more power but vibrates more. For what it is worth, I ended up giving my 441 to the apprentice and running the 461 myself. Terrific grunt in hardwood with an 18" bar.