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DOH! Sorry, my brain wasn't working right, I guess. Jay, we smashed a hole in a shed roof by a summer cottage a couple of years back. Since it was raining, we immediately got a carpenter to come and repair it, didn't have time to do it ourselves. 3 months later I got a call from the owner, and...

You still have to attach the porty to the rope. How will you do that w/o a knot? One thing that makes a HUGE difference in the untieability of a knot is how well you dress and set it before applying force. But then y'all knew that already.