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I meant Tree Reb, the australian, not you, Stephen. As for the growth rate, I come from a cold country where things grow slowly, so I'm easily impressed:)

So you guys have done the same as the Kiwis. Logged off your native forests and replanted P Radiata. The plantations I saw in New Zealand sure were a poor excuse for forests, but , man, could those trees grow. I saw some logs with growth rings of more than an inch.

No, I meant it . You can cut the branches from the top, and they'll end up hanging vertically down, before they are cut through. P. sylvestris has very brittle branches, a little cut on the topside and off they fly.

The needles are too short and the bunches not "filled out" enough for a P. nigra. It is one of my "bread and butter" trees. They were planted around almost all the new houses buildt in the 60es. By now they are too big for amateurs to handle and the houses get sold, because the original owners...

Unless your version of Scotts pine Pinus sylvestris is different from the original, I'm 99,9% sure it is not one of those. I've killed my share of them, and they don't look like that.