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I gotcha. Is there that much difference with the m-tronic? I have one of the original version 441s and like the saw but find it a bit gutless.

Rear handle? I just ran a stock 261 two weekends ago for about a tank almost of cutting. I can't recall ever having run a rear handle that small so obviously I was unimpressed. It looked to me like they'd homeownered up the 260.

Stock 660s are dogs IMO. But modded they come alive quite a bit. My Stihls keep running forever the 46s so seeing how you can still get a new 460 off the shelf and its identical to a 46 it's my long term investment saw.

I'm sticking with the classic saws still for now. I've got a boatload of strong 200s and a plethora or 460/046s. As well as a 66 and 660. A few other saws thrown in too from the newerish Stihl line up a 441 and a couple 361's. I despise an underpowered saw. The 361's don't ride ever this...