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Not a huge fan of new tribe here, personally not a fan of the saddles at all, my experience with them has always been bad. I love my tree motion, been rocking it for more than 3 years now, I also have the comfort pad installed on mine. And agreed, the lower dees are the bees knees, I love...

If you're having back trouble look into the Ergovation, its as heavy as a cougar but the lumbar support is supposed to be amazing. It was designed with the help of a physical therapist, and it has the best lumbar support of any saddle out there.